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3 pt scoop vs. Bobcat for digging

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Will

06-25-2003 12:14:47




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Next week I am finally going to dig the dirt floor out of my barn and replace it with gravel. I can rent a Bobcat skidloader with bucket for about $165 a day or buy a scoop bucket for the 3 point at TSC for under $300. The scoop bucket has a trip lever so you can dump whatever you've scooped up. I've never used one; any comments from those of you have experience? Is it a handy implement to have around?

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Rob

06-26-2003 00:24:20




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 Re: 3 pt scoop vs. Bobcat for digging in reply to Will, 06-25-2003 12:14:47  
Get the scoop and move the dirt. When you've done all you can then you can always rent the skid steer for a couple hours to finish the corners.



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Dell (WA)

06-25-2003 23:32:08




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 Re: 3 pt scoop vs. Bobcat for digging in reply to Will, 06-25-2003 12:14:47  
Will..... ..the N-Tractor is NOT the tool for EVERY JOB, and while they are quite handy for allotta stuff, precision dirt work inside a barn with rear scoop or box blade or grader blade, N's just don't cut the grade. You'll spend alotta time with an idiot stick (shovel) cleaning our the corners that'll be duck-soup for front loader skid-steer. If cost is your concern, take in laundry, sell blood, indenture servant your first born child, rent the skid-loader..... ....Dell

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Jim

06-25-2003 21:06:05




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 Re: 3 pt scoop vs. Bobcat for digging in reply to Will, 06-25-2003 12:14:47  
Will, I have a scoop for my 8N and use it many times a year. I move heavy rocks with it.
Carry things in it and clean out ditches transfer dirt from the back of my ten acres to fill in low spots and moved gravel into my barns.
I have had a scoop for 20 years and use it about once a monthy for something.
Very handy, You won't be sorry.
Jim



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Bee in Mo

06-25-2003 19:25:51




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 Re: 3 pt scoop vs. Bobcat for digging in reply to Will, 06-25-2003 12:14:47  
Just wondering if you're talking about a dirt scoop for the 8n that is reversible. I've been thinking about getting one and seems to me that loading the scoop in reverse might be the way to go. No experience but just wondering how well they dig in reverse. Bee.



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duey

06-25-2003 14:38:20




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 Re: 3 pt scoop vs. Bobcat for digging in reply to Will, 06-25-2003 12:14:47  
There seems like there'd be ALOT of handwork using a 3Pt scoop. Inside a building there are alot of restrictions on motion.... but I suspect the skidsteer, especially with a proficient operator, will make a scoop look foolish.

As already mentioned, know the whole cost before renting.

OR: you could BUY a used skidsteer and then..... .... have fun duey



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souNdguy

06-25-2003 13:55:40




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 Re: 3 pt scoop vs. Bobcat for digging in reply to Will, 06-25-2003 12:14:47  
It's your money, but I personally would opt for a 3pt scoop or even a boxblade for the job.. depending on whether you want to spread the material out fromthe garage.. or move it somewhere else.

Before we built our house, i used a 3pt scoop and a little yanmar 1700 ( 1800 lbs, 2cyl diesel 21 engine hp, 18pto hp, 200# front weight ) to move many many yards of dirt. Afte rthe house was built, the yard sloped heavilly down from or back porch to the fence of the pasture.. I again used the scoop and pulled from a stockpile and backfilled the area enough to pour an additional 15x10 concrete pad to screen in the back porch, and make less of a grade down to the fence.... took a bit of time.. but was cheaper in the end.

The yanmar had a single stage clutch, and an engine driven hydro pump.. so it was like working with a NAA.. not an 8n without live hyds.... actually.. I wish i would have had my NAA back then.. it would have worked way better than the little yanmar, which was too light. My 30" bucket would carry about 500# of dirt, and even with front weight, the front end was spongy on bumps...
You can do it with the 8n though.. just gotta back in, then shift out and lift.. or use some technique and back in continually lifting.. might take some getting used to... but will work.

On the other hand, I used a box to dig the packed clay floor out of the back of my horse barn to add another stall... The boxblade works good at digging.. though you just have to fan the dirt out from there as you can't transport it anywhere.

As for the equipment rental... I work at a road construction co.. and that rate is close to normal for what we see rates on skid steers.. though they may not have also quoted you on delivery ( usually 50$.. and fuel surcharge.. as high as 40$ per day... ) so that 165$ rental gets expensive fast.... plus you might need a damage waiver, or liability rider.. otherwise you are paying for damages or breakdowns... if ya rent it.. read the fine print carefully.

Soundguy

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Steve (Magnolia, TX)

06-25-2003 13:40:58




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 Re: 3 pt scoop vs. Bobcat for digging in reply to Will, 06-25-2003 12:14:47  
I've been using a borrowed dirt scoop on my '50 8N and I'm ready to go buy one.

I've worked at cleaning out the barn, levelling the dirt piles from the bottom of brush piles and even started digging a pond.

I think that it's WELL worth the money....


Steve



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Pitch

06-25-2003 13:00:49




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 Re: 3 pt scoop vs. Bobcat for digging in reply to Will, 06-25-2003 12:14:47  
The Bobcat will definetaly be much faster and easier to control. The rear scoop you will have forever. It probably depends on how much material you are moving.How packed is the floor? If it is real tight you will probably have to shorten your toplink to gain a really agressive angle for digging then you may have trouble controlling the depth. The bobcat you could adjust on the go. I figure my rearscoop will dig and carry about 3 wheelbarrow loads at a time. Like I say it depends on the time factor and amount of material to be removed. If time is not constraining you get a rearscoop if it is use the bobcat.

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Here's the scoop, on the

06-26-2003 08:30:09




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 Re: Re: 3 pt scoop vs. Bobcat for digging in reply to Pitch, 06-25-2003 13:00:49  
AROUNG HERE YOU CAN HIRE A GUY WITH A BACKHOE FOR 35.00 AN HOUR THAT HAS EXPERIENCE, HE'LL GET YOUR JOB DONE FAST, YOU WON'T HAVE TO HAUL THE DANG THING THERE AND BACK AND WORRY ABOUT SOMETHING GOING WRONG, AND YOU'LL HAVE SOME BUCKS LEFT TO BUY YOUR SCOOP. BUY THE SCOOP AND A USED 6 1/2 BLADE, BE SURE TO GET THEM BOTH REVERSABLE. BOTH ARE VERY, VERY HANDY IMPLEMENTS.....



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