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Knocking Hydraulic Pump

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deskjet

06-25-2003 10:22:12




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Today I was using my 8n to disc-up a food plot. I heard a knocking noise in the rear end? It would only do it with the hydro in the up position with a load on it. I took the disc off I could'nt make it do it then. When the pto was disingaged it would'nt do it. Do I need to rebuild the pump or is their any adjustment? Where can I find a re-build kit? Would this be a difficult repair for a do-it-yourselfer?

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ZANE

06-25-2003 19:31:47




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 Re: Knocking Hydraulic Pump in reply to deskjet, 06-25-2003 10:22:12  
N pump theory of operation

The N pump is unique in the world of hydraulics. Harry Ferguson was no doubt a world class genius to have come up with this system. It is unique in the fact that it has an intake valve that limits the stroke of the pump by limiting the amount of oil that can enter the pumps at any given position of the intake valve. There are four cam driven pistons in the pump. Two on each side. Each piston pump has it’s own intake and exhaust valve and these valves are spring loaded to open and close when oil is allowed to enter by the main “intake” valve. When a light load is held there is very little oil allowed to enter the valve chamber pumps. When a heavy load is held up more oil is allowed into the chambers but there is still an air gap produced in each of the pump chambers. This air causes a partial vacuum at each cycle of the pump and this is what pulls the mechanical parts apart slightly causing the metal parts to hammer against each other when they get old and begin to have excess loose motion. This normally causes no problem with the operation or safety of the pump. This will not happen when the lift is coming up or going down because this partial vacuum is not produced at these times because the intake valve is either all the way out or all the way in. The pump was designed like this so that when the touch control handle is moved to it's lowest position the intake valve closes off the flow of oil into the pump. This is done so that the lift arms will be able to come down completely with little or no load. If the pump didn't have the ability to limit the flow of the pump on the downward flow of oil out of the ram cylinder and through the exhaust valve the exhaust valve would not be able to exhaust enough oil for the lift arms to come down without a load on them and the lift arms would stay up all the time there was no load on them. The same thing is true when the lift has a very heavy load on the lift arms. Therefore the flow through the exhaust valve is very small so that the exhaust valve can only allow enough volume to exhaust to allow the lift under load to move slowly down and not let it just fall.

How in the world did the man come up with this efficient system of hydraulics when hydraulics themselves were in there infancy???? A genius! Zane

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thanks . . . Dell (WA)

06-25-2003 23:19:08




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 Re: Re: Knocking Hydraulic Pump in reply to ZANE, 06-25-2003 19:31:47  
Zane..... ..what a great explaination of how that weird "Scotch Yoke" pump works. Copied it to my personal "archives". Thanks for insight..... .Dell



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Rick H. Ga.

06-25-2003 18:51:45




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 Re: Knocking Hydraulic Pump in reply to deskjet, 06-25-2003 10:22:12  
My 49 8N hydraulic pump has made that same bumping/knocking noise since I bought it in 1977. The heavier the implement, the louder the knocking. My lift works great. I wouldn't worry too much about it as long as the lift works good. HTH Rick H. Ga.



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deskjet

06-25-2003 19:00:49




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 Re: Re: Knocking Hydraulic Pump in reply to Rick H. Ga., 06-25-2003 18:51:45  
Thanks,I feel better hearing those follow-ups. And your right with some implements no knocking, but with heavy stuff it knocks. I mainly heard it with the disc it was plugged up with heavy clay. After I cleaned it I did'nt hear it. My lift works great. Thanks for the replys



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'Ole Henry' (Va)

06-25-2003 11:51:08




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 Re: Knocking Hydraulic Pump in reply to deskjet, 06-25-2003 10:22:12  
After 50+ years of ups and downs they gona knock a little, no sweat. My 51 has had the same thing since I bought it in 89 and hasn't gotten worse.

John A



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