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'52 8N (MD)

06-08-2003 17:04:02




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When the headlight switch came from the NH dealer it had no fuse. A phone call later, I was informed that it comes with a 2 amp fuse? I tried several fuses, everything blows up to an AGC 10 amp. The 6 volt positive ground has two headlights (Wagner 4019, 6.2 volts, 30 watts each). I used a Dennis C. repro harness and ran a separate ground back to the ground strap (18AWG so it would fit into the headlight shell). I presently have it terminated post-ignition switch even though the ignition switch wires look to be around 16-18AWG. Since the posts in the archives resound with 20 amp fuse recommendations does this mean that the 18 awg ground wire is way too small? Is a 10 amp fuse OK?
Should I be hooking it up pre-ignition? Thanks, wc

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souNdguy

06-09-2003 13:44:31




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 Re: Light fuse (again) in reply to '52 8N (MD), 06-08-2003 17:04:02  
You might try a slow blow fuse, perhaps 15 amp.. or even a circuit breaker.. unless you are concerned about originality. The ground wire won't need to go thru the tube, as long a sthe light is internally grounded to the shell.. then just ground the shell to your new ground wire with a large terminal 'o' connector where the nut secures the light shell to the dogleg.

Soundguy



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David - OR

06-09-2003 06:42:43




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 Re: Light fuse (again) in reply to '52 8N (MD), 06-08-2003 17:04:02  
Headlights have a lower resistance (higher current) when they are first turned on, compared with their steady state load. AGC Fuses are a relatively "fast blow" variety. So with two 30W headlights and their attendant 10 amp running load at 6 volts, a 10 amp fuse is too small. The inrush current plus the first seconds of running current will blow a 10 amp AGC fuse. A 20 amp fuse would be appropriate.

Don't run the headlights through the ignition switch. The ignition switch is only rated at 5 amps total. Not to mention that the ignition switch is pretty flaky as it is, even with only the 3 amp coil load.

18 guage wire is fine for one lamp. It is a little skinny for two lamps, though it would probably work. You might consider whether you or anyone else would ever replace the lights with brighter bulbs down the road, and overdesign this part of the wiring somewhat. I'd use the 18 guage to get through the doglegs, and something heavier after two hot leads tee together. The ground leads should be handled the same way.

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'52 8N (MD)

06-10-2003 11:21:46




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 Re: Re: Light fuse (again) in reply to David - OR, 06-09-2003 06:42:43  
David - Thank you for your input. Your advice is always "spot on". As a result of Rob's repost input, I swapped out the 18AWG for 16 at the bullet connectors this side of the dog leg. I tried to find 14 gauge at the local hdwe, etc. but I figure if an 18 AWG lampcord can handle a 150 watt bulb, 16 can handle the two headlights.



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Salmoneye

06-09-2003 03:58:44




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 Re: Light fuse (again) in reply to '52 8N (MD), 06-08-2003 17:04:02  
Um...Unless I remember incorrectly...Doesn't the 'formula' go:

Watts=Volts x Amps ???

30+30=60 watts total, so

60watts=6Volts x 10Amps

Minimum fuse you can use for JUST the headlights is 10 AMP if you are still 6-Volt...If you plan on adding tail and work lights you will need even bigger fuses or seperate fused lines...

And as for (18AWG so it would fit into the headlight shell), Huh?...The hole in the tube that connects the headlight to the dogleg is hollow (at least on my lights) and will easily take 10 guage wire, though that is a tad overkill and a bugger to thread sometimes...

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Vic

06-09-2003 20:03:30




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 Re: Re: Light fuse (again) in reply to Salmoneye, 06-09-2003 03:58:44  
Remember that a nominal 6 volt system doesn't measure at an actual 6 volts most of the time. A normal voltage while charging the battery can be as high as 6.9 volts; more potent charging systems could take it higher yet.

Fuses shouldn't be matched precisely to the load: the idea behind a fuse is to protect the wire from exceeding its maximum capacity. Best bet would be a fourteen gauge wire to feed both headlights, with a 15 amp AGC fuse protecting the circuit. If you have a choice, make sure to locate the fuse as close to the power source as possible--you don't protect anything upstream of the fuse.

If you use a circuit breaker, pay close attention to the metal can. Do NOT mount it so that it forms a "cup" in which water can collect. If it fills with water, you've got no protection since the breaker won't blow.

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That's just the ground

06-09-2003 05:06:36




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 Re: Re: Light fuse (again) in reply to Salmoneye, 06-09-2003 03:58:44  
The voltage feed AND the ground are going through the dogleg. Thanks for your formula, I was hoping someone here would know it. Thanks Again, wc



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Scott

06-09-2003 03:19:21




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 Re: Light fuse (again) in reply to '52 8N (MD), 06-08-2003 17:04:02  
The switch used a 20 amp with the Ford (now New Holland) wiring, switch and lights not 2 amp.



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Alan/NorwayIllinois

06-08-2003 18:12:15




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 Re: Light fuse (again) in reply to '52 8N (MD), 06-08-2003 17:04:02  
You got more then just a fuse problem. Ain't no way you need a 10Amp fuse for only 30Watts



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Vic

06-09-2003 20:04:45




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 Re: Re: Light fuse (again) in reply to Alan/NorwayIllinois, 06-08-2003 18:12:15  
That's 30 watts per headlight.



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Rob

06-08-2003 17:22:10




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 Re: Light fuse (again) in reply to '52 8N (MD), 06-08-2003 17:04:02  
The 9N/2N had lights pre-ignition switch. Makes sense for the 8N too. Don't scrimp on the wire size. A short piece of 18 gauge into the shell won't hurt but make it larger for the long run.



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'52 8N (MD)

06-08-2003 17:48:15




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 Re: Re: Light fuse (again) in reply to Rob, 06-08-2003 17:22:10  
Dang that was good advice. Thanks. At least the bullet connectors will make it easy to do it right at the junctions.



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John,PA

06-08-2003 17:20:17




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 Re: Light fuse (again) in reply to '52 8N (MD), 06-08-2003 17:04:02  
I think the the awg size is ok for your lights. Also the 10 amp fuse should work also.

I believe that I would pick-up the lead for your lights at the amp meter, thru the switch (fused) and on to the lights. Thus, when the lights are on, you should see the amperage draw.

Hope this helps. :})



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