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8-N I'm stumped!

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Charles Irwin

06-02-2003 07:43:28




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I was mowing with my finish mower and got off my 1949 8-n to make a couple of adjustments on the mower. The N started running rough and up and slowly died. It had been running just fine up to that point. I immediately thought i was out of gas...nope. I did the usual things but no luck. Now when i hit the starter it almost runs...like it's hitting on two cylinders then just slowly dies! Can you please help me?

Charles

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charles irwin

06-03-2003 12:32:00




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 Re: 8-N I'm stumped! in reply to Charles Irwin, 06-02-2003 07:43:28  
Well i'm no longer stumped...at least about the ol 8-n. I think it was Steve who mentioned first about the coil...THANKS steve and all the rest for your help. It turned out to be two problems. The dist cap as well as the coil was bad. Now if it would only dry out so's i could finish my mowing. Thanks again you all.

Charles



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Bruce (VA)

06-02-2003 11:21:51




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 Re: 8-N I'm stumped! in reply to Charles Irwin, 06-02-2003 07:43:28  
Start with the quickest & cheapest solutions first as a process of elimination. As suggested, see if you're getting fuel to the carb first, then if the fuel is getting to the engine. Once you're satisfied it's not a fuel problem, the go to electrical matters, starting with the "clean-bright-tight" solution in all circuits. Check the point gap (mine close up on my '50 N) Timing is possible, but given that you have a front mount, hard to check & improbable. While you have the coil off to check the points, make sure the little curly-q wire is making contact. After all of that.....then I'd spend the money & buy a coil.

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Steve

06-02-2003 11:03:51




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 Re: 8-N I'm stumped! in reply to Charles Irwin, 06-02-2003 07:43:28  
Try checking your timing. When excessively retarded, it can act like other bad ignition componants. Just a thought, and it wont cost anything to check it out!!!

Steve



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Shaun

06-02-2003 10:23:18




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 Re: 8-N I'm stumped! in reply to Charles Irwin, 06-02-2003 07:43:28  
Just did my coil last week - after similar symptoms. In regard to running out of gas, I sure learned that with the outlet being on one side of the tank, it's best to park with the left side down-hill. Mine wouldn't start after only parking minutes earlier. Looked... yep, fuel... but later found out not enough. Filled more and she started right up. For me, left tractor side goes downhill for parking... ha ,ha.

-shaun

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Rob

06-02-2003 12:48:56




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 Re: Re: 8-N I'm stumped! in reply to Shaun, 06-02-2003 10:23:18  
Shaun you should open your fuel valve only 2-turns. Then when it runs out of gas, incline or no, you reach over and open the valve many turns all the way and you will have one more gallon of reserve, or enough to get off the incline for sure. Bailed me out more then once.



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Shaun

06-02-2003 13:34:37




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 Re: Re: Re: 8-N I'm stumped! in reply to Rob, 06-02-2003 12:48:56  
Whew! Glad I wasn't alone... ha, ha. Actually that happened to me on the day I took delivery of it and so you can imagine that initially I wasn't too thrilled.

Great idea, but how does that work? I've not seen the inside of the tank, but on the ole motorcycles, we had multiple tubes - different lengths - for "regular running" and "reserve". How does the number of cranks out do it? I would have thought that only determined flow-rate from the glass bowl. No?

Thanks! Always looking for more useful info!

-shaun
(wishing I was always at the same location as the tractor so I could dash out and see what I always read about...ha!)

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Rob

06-02-2003 14:39:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8-N I'm stumped! in reply to Shaun, 06-02-2003 13:34:37  
That valve, if it's the Ford valve, has different length tubes. Some guys buy and install the wrong valve. You can tell them, they are hauling gas to their stranded N. The instructions are stamped into the round handle. Part of my oil change is to remove and clean the sediment bowl. While I have the bowl off, I open the valve full open to vent any crude or water out of the bottom of the tank.
The valve is 3-positions not a metering valve. Closed, 2-turns, full open.
I mow a lot of bar-ditch. I run out on an incline often. Full open has always got me going again. I'm almost good enough I can get it opened up before she completely dies! :)

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Shaun

06-02-2003 15:00:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8-N I'm stumped! in reply to Rob, 06-02-2003 14:39:22  
Awesome! I'll have to check it out. Oh, and it's the same on the 9N (which I have)?

Not being AT the tractor to look, I thought the valve simply opened the bowl... didn't realize there were tubes too!

Thanks! Great info!

-shaun



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Rob

06-02-2003 15:11:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8-N I'm stumped! in reply to Shaun, 06-02-2003 15:00:26  
It's the same unless someone installed the wrong valve. Farm/ranch stores and the usual outlets have the valves and others that look very similar but are not 3-position. Some of those have found their way onto Ford tractors. Those 'other' valves don't have the screen over the tubes either.



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Big Buck

06-02-2003 10:10:27




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 Re: 8-N I'm stumped! in reply to Charles Irwin, 06-02-2003 07:43:28  
IF YOU OWN A OLD TRACTOR KEEP A SPARE COIL ON HAND.START WITH THAT THEN THE ELIMINATING PROCESS.



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just a dummy

06-02-2003 10:03:56




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 Re: 8-N I'm stumped! in reply to Charles Irwin, 06-02-2003 07:43:28  
I had sort of the same thing happen like the n was out of gas. If it has spark you may try disconnecting the fuel line to make sure it is running a good stream of gas to the carb and then remove the plug from the bottom of the carb to drain any trash out of carb. draining the carb worked for me.



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Den in Den

06-02-2003 08:30:54




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 Re: 8-N I'm stumped! in reply to Charles Irwin, 06-02-2003 07:43:28  
My guess is that you have a clogged fuel line or filter. Check for fuel flow at the carb fitting.



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Larry

06-02-2003 07:58:54




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 Re: 8-N I'm stumped! in reply to Charles Irwin, 06-02-2003 07:43:28  
It sounds as if your coil has given up its life. Possibly the starter switch - as the ignition current feeds completely through the switch - and the switch can give up its life also. They don't last but a few years.

Easy to wire across the switch and see if everything works - but I imagine it's the coil.

Check current on both sides of the ballast resistor with the key on (or jumper attached). If current on both sides, and if current at the coil connection - then you need a new coil; although it's possible that the points have worn down and won't open enough to infuse the coil.

Regards,
L and C Ranch

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Durk(OH)

06-02-2003 07:49:42




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 Re: 8-N I'm stumped! in reply to Charles Irwin, 06-02-2003 07:43:28  
Check your spark at each plug then pull distributor off and check your point gap



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