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8N WITH NEW KING CUTTER 5FT TILLER

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KENNY MCATEE

04-30-2003 13:45:22




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I'M A NEW GARDEN FARMER WITH A 1952 8N WITH A NEW KING CUTTER TILLER 5 FT.. I'VE BOUGHT MANY 1 1/8 TO 1 3/8 ADAPTERS FOR THE TRACTOR BECAUSE THEY TWIST OFF AFTER A WHILE. SHOULD I REPLACE THE PTO SHAFT WITH A NEW ONE TO 1 3/8 OR KEEP ON BUYING ADAPTERS. IWOULD RATHER BUY ADAPTORS AS TO RUIN SOMETHING INTERNALLY IN THE TRACTOR WITH THE NEW SHAFT. THANKS FOR ANY HELP




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Gaspump

04-30-2003 18:19:17




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 Re: 8N WITH NEW KING CUTTER 5FT TILLER in reply to KENNY MCATEE, 04-30-2003 13:45:22  
Have you checked to be certain the PTO shaft is not too long and sometimes binding up? Saw a fellow break one with a finish mower because the shaft bound up when lifted too high. Adaptors should not break with the frequency that you mention, has to be another problem too.



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Salmoneye

05-01-2003 03:44:28




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 Re: Re: 8N WITH NEW KING CUTTER 5FT TILLER in reply to Gaspump, 04-30-2003 18:19:17  
I agree he should not be breaking adapters that often, but if he is, I am betting that they are the cheesy 'sleeve' type...The web of these is only around an eighth of an inch thick and they just plain were not made for a shock load...

There is another adapter that runs around $10 that slips on and is then pinned...The male end is then a solid chunk of metal and is a 1 3/8 shaft...Adds about 4 inches total length...

The slip ons do not add length, but they just plain are junk...

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Dell (WA)

04-30-2003 14:58:36




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 Re: 8N WITH NEW KING CUTTER 5FT TILLER in reply to KENNY MCATEE, 04-30-2003 13:45:22  
Kenny..... ...every spring, the N-Board gets the same rototiller questions and the answers still the same. The N-Tractor is NOT a rototiller machine because it is too high ground speed for rototillering, its a 14" 2-bottom plowin' fool. Its NOT a horsepower thing, because your N-Tractor has about 25 hp, its a ground speed thing. The N-Tractor was designed for 14" 2-bottom plow. This is the most common 3-point cat-1 size plow, new or used.

Unfortunately, even the popular dealer installed "Sherman Aux Tranny" doesn't have slow enuff tranny gears for rototillering. Yes, there is an rare and fragle "Howard" aux tranny that IF you can find one, will slow down the groundspeed and keep the PTO speed high.

Back in the early 70's, I used to see N-Tractors pulling a 3-point lift mounted rototiller with its OWN AUX ENGINE thru the grape vinyards of central Calif. Unfortunately, I don't remember anything else about it.

But if you think you need to rototiller instead of plowing and discing, go rent a bigger tractor with rototiller and get it done. Unfortunately, the N-Tractor is NOT the tool for every job and even though your King Kutter rototiller will fit, it is NOT the tool for your N-Tractor.

In 1953, when the Ferguson's patents expired, the American Society Agriculture Engineers (ASAE) became the "care-takers" of the 9N-Ford developed catagory-1 3-point hydraulic lift specifications. For whatever reason, they changed the cat-1 PTO shaft spec from 1-1/8 to 1-3/8.

The current 1-3/8 replacement PTO shaft, fits quite nicely, thankyou. It is also stronger, has new bearings and seals and fits modern PTO operated implements. TIP: park your tractor nosedown innna deep ditch and you won't have to drain 5 gals of hydro-tranny fluid to change your PTO shaft. I'd change it rightaway ($100 cheap)..... ..respectfully, Dell

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KENNY MCATEE

04-30-2003 15:41:04




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 Re: Re: 8N WITH NEW KING CUTTER 5FT TILLER in reply to Dell (WA), 04-30-2003 14:58:36  
UNFORTUNATELY I ALREADY BOUGHT THE TILLER AND PAID EIGHT HUNRED DOLLARS FOR IT. I,M STILL WONDERING IF I SHOULD RELACE THE SHAFT OR CONTINUE TO BREAK ADAPTERS. IT WORKS FINE AS LONG AS I DON'T GO TOO DEEP. WHEN I DO IT LETS ME KNOW. WHAT WILL BREAK IF I CHANGE PTO SHAFTS.



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Dell (WA)

04-30-2003 16:05:55




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 Re: Re: Re: 8N WITH NEW KING CUTTER 5FT TILLER in reply to KENNY MCATEE, 04-30-2003 15:41:04  
Kenny..... ...you're unhappy about breaking your weak 1-1/8 to 1-3/8 PTO adaptors and there is a "correct" sized replacement 1-3/8 PTO shaft. Why do you have to be told again, replace the old shaft with a modern stronger 1-3/8 shaft? ..... ...respectfully, Dell



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Ron,Ar

04-30-2003 20:28:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N WITH NEW KING CUTTER 5FT TILLER in reply to Dell (WA), 04-30-2003 16:05:55  
Dell, I guess he is afraid if he installs the bigger shaft something internal may break. He oughta take the old shaft and use it on that salesmans head for selling him that tiller in the first place.Ron



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KENNY MCATEE

05-01-2003 05:01:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N WITH NEW KING CUTTER 5FT TILLER in reply to Ron,Ar, 04-30-2003 20:28:11  
I WOULD LIKE TO USE THE OLD SHAFT ON THAT SALESMANS HEAD YOUR RIGHT. THANKS TO GOOD OLD TSC, THOSE GUYS KNOW VERY LITLLE ABOUT ANYTHING. KENNY



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JimNC

04-30-2003 14:24:04




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 Re: 8N WITH NEW KING CUTTER 5FT TILLER in reply to KENNY MCATEE, 04-30-2003 13:45:22  
What you need to get is a over-run-clutch(ORC). That will solve 2 problems breaking adapters and getting pushed by a bush hog after you push in the clutch a try to stop. The orc's come 1 1/8"x1 3/8". How does your the rototiller do? Some say the N's ground speed is too fast for one.

Jim



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