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2N coil, cut-out, test method?

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Crutch

04-09-2003 05:42:36




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Hi, I have a 2N with a 12 volt conversion that isn't getting juice to the starter. Have been told it my be the coil or voltage regulator (cut-out?). Couple of questions:
- is there a link to/write-up on order for diagnosing electrical problems somewhere?
- would a replacement coil need to be 12 volt? and where does one get?
- I can't find volt reg (cut-out) on mine. Where would it be?
Thanks for any help!
Crutch - Atlanta

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RoN of ohio

04-09-2003 18:30:28




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 Re: 2N coil, cut-out, test method? in reply to Crutch, 04-09-2003 05:42:36  
It probably sounds kinda dumb, but make sure that your gear shift is in neutral. Your starting mechanism has a safty switch that prevents it from starting in any other gear. Just my opinion..Ron



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Dell (WA)

04-09-2003 15:29:14




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 Re: 2N coil, cut-out, test method? in reply to Crutch, 04-09-2003 05:42:36  
Crutch..... ....who ever told you the reason your starter won't turn because it is your ignition coil or your voltage regulator (cut-out), don't know stuff from shinola. I'm not impressed.

The voltage regulator on most 12 volt conversions is built into the alternator. And therefore, your 2N should NOT have its roundcan 6 volt cut-out relay wired into your 12 volt circuits.

I know that you are frustrated, but you really don't give enuff info to make eduicated guesses, I flunked mindreading, just ask my ex-wife.

But if I had to guess, does your starter turn your engine? Watch your fanblades..... ...respectfully, Dell

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Crutch

04-09-2003 16:36:35




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 Re: Re: 2N coil, cut-out, test method? in reply to Dell (WA), 04-09-2003 15:29:14  
Dell/all, I get nothing. No turning of anything. Turn the key...push the starter button....zip...no turning anything....silence.
Could it be the rod from the starter button? If I turn the key on and probe the tester around....I get no light...zip.
Crutch



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Dell (WA)

04-09-2003 19:31:00




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 Re: Re: Re: 2N coil, cut-out, test method? in reply to Crutch, 04-09-2003 16:36:35  
Crutch..... ..now thats the first thing you've said that makes sense. "push the starter button and NOTHING turns". You've already claimed that the starter is good. To me that sez that the gutts of the roundcan 2N starter switch at the bottom of the steering column with 2 BIG terminals and 2 heavy duty battery wires are BAD. That 2N starter switch is pushed on internally by a jiggle rod from the safety interlocked tranny mounted starter button. p/n 9N-11450-B, still available from Ford/New Holland..... ....Dell

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Mountainman

04-09-2003 11:54:09




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 Re: 2N coil, cut-out, test method? in reply to Crutch, 04-09-2003 05:42:36  
In answer to your question:
" would a replacement coil need to be 12 volt?"

No. You can use either a six or twelve volt front mount coil. If you use the original 6 volt coil, you need to retain the ballast resistor and add a 12 - 6 volt droping resistor. If you use a 12 volt coil, then you use a different resistor altogether.

Any place that sells Ford tractor parts has coils.

hth

Mountainman...CA

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souNdguy

04-09-2003 06:50:54




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 Re: 2N coil, cut-out, test method? in reply to Crutch, 04-09-2003 05:42:36  
Like Joel said.. these tractor electronics are pretty simple.

The starter is seperate from the ignition circuit. Easiest way to check the starter is to follow the big wire from the battery... It will go to a switch or a solenoid ( if it has been changed from OEM ).. then to starter. If A solenoid has been used.. there will be a wire to energize the solenoid... follow it.. check connections. As Dell would say... follow the 'volts'. A volt / ohm meter will be very helpfull, and they are cheap.. though if all you have is a test light probe.. you can get by.

Give us some more info on the setup to help us determine how the 12v conversion was done. Is it an alternator? ( then is neg. grnd ) Is it a 12v genny? Is it a 3 wire or one wire alternator ( or genny ). How mant resistors are in the circuit ( just the ballast.. or a ballast a nd a dropping resistor? ).

let us know, and we'll try to help some more.

Soundguy

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Crutch

04-09-2003 13:36:02




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 Re: Re: 2N coil, cut-out, test method? in reply to souNdguy, 04-09-2003 06:50:54  
Here's a link to some more info on (9N or 2N) tractor.

Link



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Dell (WA)

04-09-2003 15:13:55




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 Re: Re: Re: 2N coil, cut-out, test method? in reply to Crutch, 04-09-2003 13:36:02  
Crutch..... ...the usual technique for using a "test light" is to ground the pigtail and probe with your testlight for volts. If'n it lights-up you got volts. Pretty simple really..... ....respecfully, Dell

Who asks, does the starter motor turn over your engine? Watch the fanblades.

I know you are frustrated but theres more to your problem than you're telling us. I flunked mindreading, just ask my ex-wife of 32 yrs.

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Joel (SoCal 44's)

04-09-2003 05:54:35




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 Re: 2N coil, cut-out, test method? in reply to Crutch, 04-09-2003 05:42:36  
If you aren't getting juice to the starter, your switch(front of the steering column) may be bad... not the coil or regulator.

Since your's is a 12v convert... you will have a regular voltage regulator PROBABLY mounted under the battery, unless it is internal to your alternator.

Troubleshooting these aren't that bad... fairly simple with a volt/ohmmeter, Schematics are available at various sites.

Joel

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