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Mark

03-26-2003 22:04:12




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I'm considering purchasing an 8N to use with a bush hog and would like some opinions from owners on the quality / effectiveness of their brakes. We have some hills on our property and find it necessary to stop. The A/C 160 I'm currently using has real problems stopping, even though the pads are in good shape and have been adjusted. I don't want another small tractor with the same shortfall.
Any input would be appreciated.

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Mark

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Thanks for the input

03-27-2003 18:26:05




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 Re: 8N Brake effectiveness in reply to Mark, 03-26-2003 22:04:12  
Thanks for the input everyone. Planning stops and using the right gear is something that definitely needs to be remembered. Fortunately the hills on our property are not very steep. I just don't want something with as poor of brakes as my A/C 160, it's all I can do to stand on the pedal enough to set the parking brake and keep it from rolling down a slight grade.



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Jim

03-27-2003 14:47:46




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 Re: 8N Brake effectiveness in reply to Mark, 03-26-2003 22:04:12  
The brakes on my 8N will lock the wheels any time, even with the front loader full and going downhill. Those tires sure tear up the ground though.



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Bruce (VA)

03-27-2003 08:39:20




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 Re: 8N Brake effectiveness in reply to Mark, 03-26-2003 22:04:12  
Mark, I purchased my 50 N from a guy who moved to a place with hills; the brakes were (and still are) in perfect shape, but he said he nearly killed himself, so he was buying a new tractor with ROPS, 4-wheel drive & disc brakes. I also have a 51 N with a Freeman loader and, when I purchased it, badly adjusted brakes. Well, you know how it is with new toys....as soon as the 51 was off the roll-back, I cranked it up, loaded the bucket with dirt, and started down the slight hill in my driveway in 3rd gear. Not a wise move. I learned all about panic stops! Frankly, as much as I like my N's, and their originial appearance, I would get a ROPS if I had any hills. Even without hills, an ORC and properly adjusted brakes are a must.

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Dan (Myersville)

03-27-2003 05:23:27




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 Re: 8N Brake effectiveness in reply to Mark, 03-26-2003 22:04:12  
I personally don't like the brakes on my 9N. I have very hilly property and the brakes on the 9 are a pain to operate. The left/right pedal setup makes even braking on slopes difficult. The angle of the pedals also makes it difficult to apply the necessary force from a fully seated position. The 8N is better in both regards.

Complicate all of that with lack of live hydraulics, strap a 700# bushhog on the back, and it can get down right scary. I grew up around two farming families in WV ca. 1955 and that was always the main complaint WRT the N's. We lost 2 members of the family to runaway 8N's. Once they get away from you on a hill they (or any other tractor for that matter) don't stop real fast or straight even if you do "lock 'em up". I try to keep my N on leveler ground and use a newer machine with better brakes on the slopes.

HTH,

Dan

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Dave 2N

03-27-2003 05:16:15




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 Re: 8N Brake effectiveness in reply to Mark, 03-26-2003 22:04:12  
Mark-
All of these guys are right but I would emphasize what Mike C said about planning your stops. N brakes in good shape are OK but I never count on them completly. I use a 2N and 8N with ORC for hogging here; all hills and hardly a level spot anywhere. Use the correct gear and plan ahead. I love the N's but brakes aren't as good as the disc brakes on my Super C or the brakes on some other tractors. You'll be OK but just stay tuned in to what's ahead and plan your hogging to handle the worst spots in the best/safest way.

N's are great tractors but in some instances don't have the extra safety margin on hills that other tractors do. And this hill business is a whole different ball game than it is for the guys using N's "down on the level on the river flats" as my grandfather used to say.

Back in the 50's when my friends and I used to talk about our families' tractors, they always talked about their N's that they used on their farms along the river; they never could understand why my uncle had to use a Farmall M and Massey Harris 44 on his hill farm; just two different situations requiring different equipment and different practices.

Enjoy your N and be safe.

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MikeC

03-27-2003 04:32:46




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 Re: 8N Brake effectiveness in reply to Mark, 03-26-2003 22:04:12  
Brakes on any N series tractor work fine if you remember a couple things:

1. Keep them free of oil and keep them maintained and adjusted.

2. Plan your stops.

I personally never try to get into a situation that I have to rely on my brakes to stop the tractor. Since you only have rear brakes and the brakes are really designed for turning as well as stopping, mashing on the brake pedals to stop the tractor on a dime is not a good idea. The ORC will help and is something that I would never be without, but still is not a replacement for common sense.

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raytasch

03-27-2003 04:04:23




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 Re: 8N Brake effectiveness in reply to Mark, 03-26-2003 22:04:12  
Brakes on an 8N are effective if they are "right". You need an overrun coupler to stop the N with a rotary mower running.
ray



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Mountainman

03-26-2003 22:23:51




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 Re: 8N Brake effectiveness in reply to Mark, 03-26-2003 22:04:12  
A properly maintained N should stop fine. The rear axle seals do tend to leak and that oils up the brake shoes - no good. But with good seals you should be fine. It could depend upon how much weight is involved such as towing a trailer or having a heavy implement such as a FEL also as weight makes stopping more difficult. Should be no problem with the bush hog.

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Mountainman...CA



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