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12 volt float charger to a 6 volt battery

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Neal-WI

02-10-2003 20:09:12




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In the winter, I only use my NAA when it snows. I have 12 volt float chargers and was thinking of putting a resister in series to drop it down to 6 or 7 volts and useing it on my 6 volt tractor to keep the battery up. Does anyone see a problem with doing this? I have not seen a 6 volt float charger. So far this winter, we have never had more than 2 inches of snow at a time, which is very unusual for Wisconsin. (definately not complaining)

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Neal-WI

02-12-2003 22:22:03




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 Re: 12 volt float charger to a 6 volt battery in reply to Neal-WI, 02-10-2003 20:09:12  
Thanks for the ideas. I have at least a half dozen battery chargers, some capable of charging a six volt battery, and some capable of supplying enough power to jump a vehicle. However, since I do not use the tractor much in the winter, I would like to hook up a float charger and just leave it on. Leaving a 6 volt battery charger on constantly will eventually leave me with a battery with no water over the plates. A variable resister may be the way to go.

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Salmoneye

02-11-2003 07:06:55




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 Re: 12 volt float charger to a 6 volt battery in reply to Neal-WI, 02-10-2003 20:09:12  
Sorta like the commercial product that Paul linked below...

Find yourself a DC converter for a calclator, walkman etc that has an output between 6-7 volts at an output of 100-500 milliamps...Cut the plug end off and attach a couple aligator clips...Find which wire is positive and which is negative with a cheap voltmeter set on 12-volt scale so you do not hurt it if you get it wrong the first time...Mark the clips accordingly...Then just hook it on the battery and plug it in overnight...Keeps the battery warm and will never boil the battery dry if forgotten for a couple days...

I have one for 6-volt and one for 12...Both are at a couple hundred milliamps and IMO all they really do is keep the battery slightly warmer than the ambient temp...

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soundguy

02-11-2003 05:43:56




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 Re: 12 volt float charger to a 6 volt battery in reply to Neal-WI, 02-10-2003 20:09:12  
Short of doing some electronic work, I would just get a 6v charger for your 6v battery.. unless you have 2 of them to charge.

If you are feeling squirely, and have some electronics aptitude, there are a variety of things you could do, from a voltage divider, to a constant current, voltage limiter circuit., to as simple as a load resistor.
For a load resistor refer to ( E = IR ) where E is voltage, I is current, and R is ohms.

Find the E and I value of your float. For instance.. this 12v float probably charges at 13.4 or 13.6 volts.... if it doesn't say, try values from 13.2 to 13.6 when you do the math to see how they work out on paper. Next you need to know the I or charge current available from the unit... if it is a float, it will probably be very small, in the milliamp range.. probably 50 to 150 ma.
Once you have your E and I values, plug them in the formula, and you will come up with R or the ohm value of the load, that the charger is expecting to see. ( E divided by I = R ).

As an example, 13.4 volts (E) 150ma (I ) yeilds a load value of 89.3 ohms (R)

That menas that you will have a voltage drop of 13.4 volts over the load. if you are wanting to charge a 6v battery, you can try R values of around 45 ohms. lower ohms will give you a higher charge voltage, higher ohms a lower charge voltage. You will want to have a margin above 6v though. For instance, in our formula, a load resistor of 45 ohms will have a 6.75 volt drop, leaving a charging value of 6.65... ( actual rates will probably vary as the battery charges, and may be different on copper than on paper.

Probably somewhere 40 to 45 ohms.... might use a variable resistor and your vom to dial it in.

Probably an easier way is a constant current, voltage limiter circuit. Most easilly accomplished with diodes. Perferable silicon or epoxy rectifiers as they have a higher forward voltage drop than germanium diodes. ( you could make a zenir diode shunt circuit.. but that is wastefull, as it shunts everything over your target voltage.... ).

Anyway.. silicon diodes have a forward voltage drop of about .6volts

Again, guess or look up the voltage output og the charger.. then decide what voltage you want to charge at.... 7v seems reasonable

If your charger is again, at say 13.4v then you will need 10 - 11 diodes.. or 10 silicon and a germanium ( .4 voltage drop ) to equal 7 exactly... but I might just go 10 silicon and leave it like that.

Or you could just go get a 6v charger!

Soundguy

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Paul

02-11-2003 04:55:54




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 Re: 12 volt float charger to a 6 volt battery in reply to Neal-WI, 02-10-2003 20:09:12  
Check this link out. I have and use one of these . It will make your battery last much longer and keep it fully charged without over charging it.
Paul



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Mike

02-11-2003 04:06:54




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 Re: 12 volt float charger to a 6 volt battery in reply to Neal-WI, 02-10-2003 20:09:12  
Neal,

You should be able to get a fairly inexpensive battery charger that tapers the charge off as the battery charge increases, most battery chargers have this feature and ask if the charger does this when you buy it, if you were to put a bulb in the circuit it would kill the battery as the bulb would use more current than the charger is putting out. The float charger usually puts out miliamps and a small bulb usuall uses 4 watts.

I have several of the float charges and I wouldn't use the 12 volt float charger on a 6 volt battery as it would be constantly putting out max power (Vainly attempting to charge the 6 volt battery to 12 volts) and I think that would shorten is service life considerably. Good luck.

Mike

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duey

02-10-2003 21:33:00




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 Re: 12 volt float charger to a 6 volt battery in reply to Neal-WI, 02-10-2003 20:09:12  
You could wire a 6 volt lamp (bulb) in series with the charger.... selecting the right wattage of bulb will determine the charge rate.....



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Daisy Cutter

02-11-2003 04:19:17




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 Re: Re: 12 volt float charger to a 6 volt battery in reply to duey, 02-10-2003 21:33:00  
Most chargers you can buy have a 6 volt select feature. That's what I use on mine.



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