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Sean

12-29-2002 18:59:51




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Am in the process of replacing the head gasket on a '51 8N, with the goal of stopping oil seeping into the coolant. I'm planning to have the head resurfaced, but am wondering which type of head gasket to use in replacement. Which is best, the soft head gasket, or the metal one? I was thinking that if the goal is to make the seal, perhaps the soft gasket would be better?

I'm hoping some of you experienced fellows can give this newbie some advice.

Thanks in advance!

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David - OR

12-30-2002 07:05:56




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 Re: 8N Head Gasket in reply to Sean, 12-29-2002 18:59:51  
How does oil get into the coolant via the head gasket on a flathead engine? There are no oil passages in the top of the block or in the head.
There is nothing up there for the head gasket to seal, oil-wise. There is no oil coming up through hollow pushrods to pool in the top of the head as in OHV engines.

I can see coolant getting into the oil; by leaking into the cylinder and then past the rings into the oil pan.

But oil into the coolant? How? Inquiring minds want to know. (You aren't the first to propose this ... maybe I'm missing something.)

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jack nc

12-30-2002 13:21:23




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 Re: Re: 8N Head Gasket in reply to David - OR, 12-30-2002 07:05:56  
the oil gets in the water by leaking around the top of the cylinder. if you engine uses oil a small amount will gather around the top of cylinder which is not burned and is pushed under the leaking gasket out into the water jacket, it happens all the time.



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Dell (WA)

12-30-2002 08:14:39




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 Re: Re: 8N Head Gasket in reply to David - OR, 12-30-2002 07:05:56  
David..... ....many times what appears to be "oil" floating on top the anti-freeze in the radiator is NOT OIL BUT combustion by-products forced into the water jacket from a leaky/weak headgasket seal. It just looks like an oil sheen. Remember, the pressure of combustion will overcome the 4 psi pressure of the radiator system. And Sean is correct in replacing his headgasket..... .....Dell



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David - OR

12-30-2002 08:32:13




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 Re: Re: Re: 8N Head Gasket in reply to Dell (WA), 12-30-2002 08:14:39  
OK, that I would believe. Unburnt fuel, blowby, etc. probably recondenses into stuff that looks like oil.

The piston to head clearance is fairly critical in the high compression flatheads, and won't tolerate much milling, as a whole day spent with a die grinder to restore the clearance will attest.

I agree with Zane that milling the head isn't necessary in most circumstances. Use a good gasket, the proper fasteners, torque them properly in the correct sequence (50 lb-feet with grade 8 bolts and teflon thread sealant is my personal recommendation).

If you find the head warped, and feel like you must shave it, check the block as well. If the block is .005 out of flat end-to-end, do you propose to shave it as well? If not, does one flat sealing surface really help?

If the head or block is really badly warped (say .020), or there is localized damage (scratches, erosion due to blowby into water jacket), then shaving may be necessary. But take off the minimum amount, and check your piston to head clearance before assembling. New cylinder heads are not that expensive.

Overhead valve heads are much thicker and less flexible than the flathead. It is more necessary to shave OHV heads when they are not flat. Generally, the piston to head and piston to valve clearances are not as critical as in the 8N engine, so it is also more feasible to shave them.

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my vote==bj/8n/mt

12-29-2002 20:34:50




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 Re: 8N Head Gasket in reply to Sean, 12-29-2002 18:59:51  
Count me as a vote for soft head gasket. Better at sealing minor irregularities than the metal ones.

Also count me as a vote against having the head planed for the pure heck of it. Get it checked for true and if it really needs planing then get the least taken off that will make it true and be sure to check for valve clearance with some modeling clay or something similar since clearance was tight at the get go.

Your mileage may vary

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