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Kevin

12-26-2002 21:04:24

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I am curious about 2Ns. I'm a newbie, so sorry if this is a stupid question...On the 2Ns that were built during the war, with hand crank starters, did they just put a block off plate over the starter hole? Could an industrious owner have retrofitted a starter to one of these machines? Or, was the starter hole not even there? I'm sure the hand crank thing got real trying sometimes and folks wanted a better way...

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duey

12-27-2002 11:39:27

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Re: 2N starter question in reply to Kevin, 12-26-2002 21:04:24

I ran my 2N for a year (of occasional use) when the ring gear was BAD using only the hand crank. A cold motor usually started on the 1st or second pull. Not the case when I would kill it bush hogging!!!

Had to remove the brush guard, of course, to fit the crank in the business hole, but the crank seems to store just nice above the exhaust manifold. A worthwhile safeguard to get the ol' girl home from field or woods if the starter goes on vacation.

Never felt 'at risk' using the crank... just wears you out when it doesn't fire right up.

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raytasch

12-27-2002 05:20:06

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Re: 2N starter question in reply to Kevin, 12-26-2002 21:04:24

Kevin, Along the same vein; Although I do not use a checklist for every tractor I look at, I think most N engines have the area for fuel pump mounting cast into the block and the cam lobe for the fuel pump on the camshaft. Again, it is cheaper and easier to cast the block to fit many applications.
ray

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Fast Ed Ohio

12-27-2002 00:31:11

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Re: 2N starter question in reply to Kevin, 12-26-2002 21:04:24

All of the 2n tractors I have seen have electric starters on them , along with a battery and generator, yours could have a magnito but most were converted years ago, If that puppy backfires when your trying to start it, it could break your arm.( A pull start might be in order ) Dont know dont sue me, just trying to help .

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Did it take two people . . . Les, TN

12-27-2002 03:55:14

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Re: Re: 2N starter question in reply to Fast Ed Ohio, 12-27-2002 00:31:11

Did it always take two people ta hand crank/start the engines?�one ta operate the switch and yell, "CONTACT," and one ta pull the crank? Seem's like that'd be kinda unhandy. I suppose, if one were careful, they could do it themselves�jes remember ta shut off the switch while repositioning the crank fer another go at it. I'm certain ya could hurt yursef.

I guess all the crank pully bolts have ratchet slots in em for hand starting.

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TimK

12-27-2002 06:38:06

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Re: Re: Re: 2N starter question in reply to Did it take two people . . . Les, TN, 12-27-2002 03:55:14

Hand cranking a "modern" tractor like the N was dangerous due to the fact you could not retard the spark like on the model T. When cranking, you always had to pull up on the hand crank to give it a quick half turn. Otherwise, pushing down on the hand crank could break an arm because it may kick back on you due to the spark advance. You can see why the electric starter on cars was a significant step forward, especially for women drivers. My $.02

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Dell (WA)

12-26-2002 23:52:23

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Re: 2N starter question in reply to Kevin, 12-26-2002 21:04:24

Kevin..... .....ya know, thats a good question. The 1 year timeframe that 2N's were produced without starters during WW2 to conserve copper required to make brass bullet casings.

Knowing manufacturing techniques, suggests that it would be cheaper to make a plate to bolt over the starter hole in the tranny housing, than to re-design the casting molds and changing the various milling machine setups so that there was NO STARTER HOLE.

Leave alone, the potential later availability of real electric starter motors. And since you don't hear of anyone asking how to put a starter motor in their 2N, that certainly implys that the starter motor hole on WW2 2N's was always there..... .....Dell, the armstrong-less starter

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kEVIN

12-27-2002 05:02:55

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Re: Re: 2N starter question in reply to Dell (WA), 12-26-2002 23:52:23

That seems to be a very reasonable take on it. I also would not think it would be likely to recast the components without the starter hole. They builders had to know that after the war they would put starters back on. I am not fortunate enough to even have a 2N, I was just reading a book that I got for Christmas, and the 2N section intrigued me.

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