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Is this a bad idea ???

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brad

09-16-2002 17:21:14




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ok last fall the brush hog ( john deer gyremore 205) started gettiing hot, no more gear lube in the gear box, bad seal i thought , changed seal and still out came the oil. so it has crack in the housing. so i figured its real old what do i have to lose if i pump it full of grease and see what happens...well it works pretty good cept for one thing, now the grease gets on the friction plates and the shaft turns but some times the blades dont. im thinking of bolting the friction plates together ,(by the way i can't get the thing apart to clean off the plates) if i use 1/4 " bolt im thinking it will shear if the need arises or do you think this could spell doom for my beloved 9n

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ThompsoN

09-17-2002 08:03:33




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 Re: is this a bad idea ??? in reply to brad, 09-16-2002 17:21:14  
I don't see any problems with that. Slip clutches are "options" even on new rotary mowers. My JD 513 acutally has a slip clutch and a shear bolt. Even though I back the clutch off and shine it regualarly, I still go through quite a lot of shear bolts. Just bought more last night - and I always use a Grade 8 with a lock nut.



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Ultradog MN

09-16-2002 20:37:57




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 Re: is this a bad idea ??? in reply to brad, 09-16-2002 17:21:14  
Hey Brad,
I think you're on the right track.
My 5' King Kutter doesn't have those old slip plates, just the 1/2" shear bolt in the pto shaft.
2 1/4" bolts together are only about 1/2 the strength of one 1/2" bolt. do the math two 1/4" bolts = .098" versus .196" for one 1/2" bolt.
No way you'll you'll hurt your tractor.
And a coupla bolts are a lot cheaper than a new mower.



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raytasch

09-16-2002 18:39:50




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 Re: is this a bad idea ??? in reply to brad, 09-16-2002 17:21:14  
Brad, If the rest of the mower is good I would sure try to save the gearbox by welding, brazing or Miracle Gell. The gearbox on my Bush Hog #205 has been welded and I have run it that way for 20+ years. We did not have Mircacle Gell back then. I have had to replace the seals a couple times but only because barbed wire and nylon cord got above the stump jumper and into the seal.
IMO, the need for a safety clutch is overemphasized when you have articulating blades. ray

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Rod MI

09-16-2002 23:50:38




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 Re: Re: is this a bad idea ??? in reply to raytasch, 09-16-2002 18:39:50  
Hi I think I have a Bush Hog 206. Do you now if your 205 is a light medium or heavy dotty Hog? I’ve been wondering about mine for a while and do you have a chain running from the back to the front of the hog? I'm wondering if mine what originally like that thanks Rod MI



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well . . . Dell (WA)

09-16-2002 17:37:06




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 Re: is this a bad idea ??? in reply to brad, 09-16-2002 17:21:14  
Brad..... ....my BrushHog 5' rotory cutter (and most others too) does not have a slip clutch. It has a grade 2 sheer bolt that is 1/2" dia. I have sheared it a coupple of times.

I see no great problem to your 9N (as long as you have an ORC) with your proposed sheer protection plan. Otherwize, its off to brushog heaven with a cracked gearbox. You could try welding the crack. You never know, its bad now, how much worse could you make it? ..... ....Dell

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8n in mn

09-16-2002 19:00:37




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 Re: Re: is this a bad idea ??? in reply to well . . . Dell (WA), 09-16-2002 17:37:06  
When our brush hog sheared the same 1/2" x 3 1/2" bolt, I was instructed to use a grade 5, not grade 2 because both bolts will shear, but the grade 5 will snap cleanly where the grade 2 will stretch and pull before breaking, making the remaining pieces more difficult to remove. What do you think? True or False?



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Larry 8N75381

09-17-2002 08:40:25




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 Re: Re: Re: is this a bad idea ??? in reply to 8n in mn, 09-16-2002 19:00:37  
In my opinion as a Mechanical Engineer, BAD IDEA!!

My reason is as follows; The grade of a bolt is an indicator of it's strength, of course, BUT it also is an indicator of the HARDNESS of the bolt material. The harder the material is the harder/stronger the cutting edges need to be to keep from being deformed by the material being cut. Think of hardened hasps on locks, you don't cut them easily and I have seen them ruin the jaws of a good bolt cutter.

Typically for a rotary mower (bushhog), the gear box input shaft and the PTO shaft collar have the shear bolt through them. Thus they are the “cutter” and are designed to have ONLY a (SOFT) grade 2 bolt used to transmit power between them.

By using a harder bolt, you cause the edges of the holes in the shaft and collar to deform - or wallow out. As the holes wallow out they allow more and more “slop” between the two cutting edges. This looseness will allow the shaft and collar to shift back and forth creating an additional “banging” force above the simple torque load needed to turn the blades. Things break much easier when they are “hit” because you can generate much larger forces through impact.

Thus you may be breaking shear bolts easier than if the holes were “clean and tight”. Yes the grade 2’s deform a little when they shear and you may need to drive them out, or at least hit them to get them started to come out. My experience has been the the pieces in the collar fly out and are lost immediately. Then with the collar off the shaft the piece in the shaft somehow is gone by the time I get back to the barn - even though I could not push it out at first.

I should also add that using a grade 5 or 8 bolt will put much higher stresses on the teeth of the gears in the gear box. Kind of expensive things to break, which is why the shear bolt is used - it is cheap and easy to replace. YESSsss, the gear boxes are typically 40 or 80 HP rated, BUT there is a difference between HP, which is a force applied thru time and distance, and simple force which can get very large even with low HP driving it. That is what low gear is all about!

Please use the right grade (#2) shear bolts, and be easier on your equipment - and safer, IMHO.

Regards,
Larry

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Ron/PA

09-17-2002 03:43:50




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 Re: Re: Re: is this a bad idea ??? in reply to 8n in mn, 09-16-2002 19:00:37  
I always use grade 5 or 8 for shear pins, a clean snap is much easier to remove, than a bent up twisted shear. Ron



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Mike in La.

09-16-2002 17:25:51




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 Re: is this a bad idea ??? in reply to brad, 09-16-2002 17:21:14  
Hello Brad.....that's not only a bad idea.....it may just be the worst idea you've ever had.



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brad

09-16-2002 18:28:59




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 Re: Re: is this a bad idea ??? in reply to Mike in La., 09-16-2002 17:25:51  
why so mike ??? do you mean in terms of doing damage to my n



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brad

09-16-2002 18:11:25




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 Re: Re: is this a bad idea ??? in reply to Mike in La., 09-16-2002 17:25:51  
why so mike ???



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