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*!!@*!!! Chrome rings

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Mike in La.

08-25-2002 13:50:52




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Tore my 52 8N down to replace ring gear on flywheel and thought that since it smokes and uses oil, I'd go ahead and do a rebuild. Pulled number 1 piston and found standard four ring piston,chrome rings with .012 end gap, and steel liners with no ridge at the top. Apparently this engine was rebuilt not long ago and the chrome rings never seated. Any of the experts here on the board seen this before? Anyone have any recommendations?

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Little Ed

08-29-2002 07:12:45




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 Re: *!!@*!!! Chrome rings in reply to Mike in La., 08-25-2002 13:50:52  
Were the cylinders honed? on two occasions I have found engines put together without honing. one was a hack job all the way through, while the other was a real quality job, other than not using the hone. It is also possible to seat the rings by dribbling a teaspoon of vegetable oil through the carb while the engine is running. whichever way you do it, I think you should squirt oil into the cylinders to kill the action of the abrasive when the job is done.

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ZANE

08-25-2002 19:33:02




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 Re: *!!@*!!! Chrome rings in reply to Mike in La., 08-25-2002 13:50:52  
What I want to know is how you found steel liners in a 52 8N??? To my knowledge they all had cast iron liners. I think that they quit putting steel liners in the 8N engines about the time that the side mount distributor came out and the front mount engine will not allow for a side mount distributor unless there is some strong cobbling to mount a generator on the left side since there is no mounting point for a generator on the left side of the early engines.

Chromes rings are the standard nowdays. Most all ring sets have chrome rings on the top groove. Chrome stands up to combustion gases better than steel rings.

It may be that who ever installed the rings bent the rings when installing them and if that is the case it will never seat. If the rings are expanded too far when installing they will touch the cylinder at three points and not all the way around their circumference. .012 should be a good re ring job fit and there should be no noticable oil consumption with that close a fit of the ring ends. If the cylinders are worn egg shaped from being run for a long time with worn out rings the rings can not seat. You should use an inside micrometer to measure the bore all the way around to see if they are in fact round. Just a couple of thousandths out of round and you will have blow by. You can sometimes tell if the cylinder is out of round by installing a new top piston ring into the cylinder without the piston and then shining a light under the cylinder to see if you can see light under the ring at any point. If you can see light between the ring and the cylinder wall the cylinder is out of round.

Zane

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GMAN

08-25-2002 19:25:09




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 Re: *!!@*!!! Chrome rings in reply to Mike in La., 08-25-2002 13:50:52  
IF THE CHROME RINGS DONT SEAT REMOVE AIR PIPE FROM CARB RUN ENGINE AT HALF THROTTLE WHILE SPRINKLING A SMALL AMOUNT OF BONAMI CLEANER OR ITS EQUIVALANT IN THE CARB IT DOES NOT TAKE VERY MUCH LESS THAN A TEASPOON LET IT RUN FOR A WHILE THIS SHOULD SEAT CHROME RINGS TO THE CYLINDERS,I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT HAD ANY TROUBLE OUT OF CHROME RINGS,JUST MY 2CENTS WORTH.



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Mountainman

08-25-2002 18:36:51




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 Re: *!!@*!!! Chrome rings in reply to Mike in La., 08-25-2002 13:50:52  
Don't use chrome rings. They don't seat well in cast iron cylinders and even less well in steel liners.

IMHO

Mountainman...CA



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Don

08-25-2002 16:58:40




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 Re: *!!@*!!! Chrome rings in reply to Mike in La., 08-25-2002 13:50:52  
Years ago, we had an acquaintance that owned an Oliver tractor. It used oil, after an overhaul, so the dealer told him to run it without the air cleaner. This was supposed to seat the rings, by introducing dirt into the engine. I never did know how it turned out.



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REM Mo.

08-25-2002 16:03:50




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 Re: *!!@*!!! Chrome rings in reply to Mike in La., 08-25-2002 13:50:52  
I keep hearing bad things about chrome rings in these old tractors. If I were to rebuild one I would be tempted to use the chrome Espically if I used new sleeves. I'm no tractor expert but have put in 30+ years on cars & trucks and the chrome ring sets always just have a top ring chrome plated. This can't have an effect on oil control. The oil control ring and the other comp. rings are the same whether the top ring is cast-chrome or moly. What's the true story here. Am I missing something.

REM

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Larry

08-25-2002 17:33:32




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 Re: Re: *!!@*!!! Chrome rings in reply to REM Mo., 08-25-2002 16:03:50  
You are missing absolutely nothing.

The problem with the 1955 Chevrolets was that the factory (in their zeal to produce) failed to hone the cylinders properly - thus the "behind the shop" addition of abrasive into the carburetor.

The replacement of rings using old pistons and old sleeves is, in my opinion poor judgement.

Regards.



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Dell (WA)

08-25-2002 14:03:40




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 Re: *!!@*!!! Chrome rings in reply to Mike in La., 08-25-2002 13:50:52  
Mike..... ...a number of years ago, Cheverolet actually had somesort of bulletin about one version of one of their engines about "non-seating" chrome rings. The Chevy fix was to bleed some Arm&Hammer baking soda into carb while running the engine to hasten ring seating. I don't remember all the details, but it wasn't much powder. Then obviously, change the engine oil and filter..... ..... Dell



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Ron Ca.

08-25-2002 19:05:52




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 Re: Re: *!!@*!!! Chrome rings in reply to Dell (WA), 08-25-2002 14:03:40  
Hey Dell, You never cease to amaze me!!! An 87 year old man shared the "arm and hammer" idea with me about three years ago. Being 55 years young myself, I always respect the old timers input. Never had a need for it yet. But, I keep a can of baking soda on the shelf just as a reminder...Your post re-enforces my respect for your knowledge and kindness for sharing with this board!!! THANX, Ron

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Dell (WA)

08-25-2002 22:41:05




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 Re: Re: Re: *!!@*!!! Chrome rings in reply to Ron Ca., 08-25-2002 19:05:52  
Ron..... ....I try to keep a box of baking soda handy for battery acid neutralization..... ..Dell



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