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Todd W.

08-08-2002 11:47:53




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I have an 8N with a front mounted distributor (1949 model?). I have found electronic ignition conversions for 8N's with side mounted distributors, but none for a front mounted distributor. Does anyone know if there is a kit available, and, if so, are there any advantages to converting over to electronic ignition? Thanks.




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Don, Luling LA

08-08-2002 18:18:21




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 Re: 8N Electronic Ignition?? in reply to Todd W., 08-08-2002 11:47:53  
Todd,
Geneese will sell you the parts to convert your front mount to electronic ignition. As mentioned in Rons post you will need to have the distrubutor shaft turned down and the sleeve bored, if geneese is charging 190 for that it seems way too high. I bought one of these kits but haven't yet had time to pull the distributor out and get the machine work done on the shaft and sleeve. One thing to note though is that Geneese will not warrenty the parts for the front mount conversion if you do it yourself.
I talked to geneese and they mentioned that it's a good idea to have a spare distributor so you can get the work done and still use your tractor and then put the converted distributor on once the work is complete. I put one of the geneese kits on my 860 and it was extremely easy to install, 5 minutes, and I am happy with it since my tractor does start better and miss less, also put the high energy coil.
Good luck

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George

08-09-2002 05:13:26




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 Re: Re: 8N Electronic Ignition?? in reply to Don, Luling LA, 08-08-2002 18:18:21  
That $190 price that I mentioned (I believe it was somewhere in that ball park. I'm certain it was over $150 though) was for me to send Genesee an old distributor and do they would perform the nesessary mods to make it work. The price included the mods and the electronic kit.



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3 days ago . . . Dell (WA)

08-08-2002 16:45:24




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 Re: 8N Electronic Ignition?? in reply to Todd W., 08-08-2002 11:47:53  
Todd..... ....3 days and 3 pages ago to a question about the frontmount 8N ignition, I wrote: "to the best of my knowledge, there is NO COMMERICALLY MADE electronic ignition for the frontmount 1940 distributor.

Several reasons.....1) insufficent market....2) weird design of ignition coil, only 1 terminal....3) insufficent internal space for transistors to fit inside distributor body..... 4) transistors don't work too well on 6 volts so you'd haffta convert to 12 volts

Now then if you really understand electronics and are invertant tinkerer, well yeah, you can design and build one for braggin' rights. Bottom line, electronic ignition for casual consummer is a "NO GO"..... .....sorry, Dell

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Yeah Todd...you shoulda read Dell's post 3 days ago. Shame on you!!!

08-09-2002 13:09:31




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 Re: Re: 8N Electronic Ignition?? in reply to 3 days ago . . . Dell (WA), 08-08-2002 16:45:24  
Go to radio shack. They have all the parts you need to make anything!!

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Claus

08-08-2002 17:28:15




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 Re: Re: 8N Electronic Ignition?? in reply to 3 days ago . . . Dell (WA), 08-08-2002 16:45:24  
The problem is that there is no room for the reluctor due to the top hat design of the bracket that holds the upper bushing.
Happy motoring
Claus



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With all duly earned respect....Jeff Hoo

08-08-2002 17:14:00




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 Re: Re: 8N Electronic Ignition?? in reply to 3 days ago . . . Dell (WA), 08-08-2002 16:45:24  
Sir Dell, I'm going to step out on a limb here while I chop it off.....however....

I must respectfully request that you drop #'s 3 and 4 from yer list of good reasons a front-mount electronic disti conversion doesn't exist.

1) True. Insufficient market. Not enuff TAM to justify development.

2) True. Weird design of the integrated coil/disti makes it different partitioning than most cheapo kit solutions.

3) Here it gets ugly. Transistor size is NOT an issue. Big metal TO-3 packages, maybe, but SMT D-paks and other ceramic power packages can dissipate 100's of watts in sizes that are so small you can't print a part number on them. In the front-mount case, the ambient heat is a silicon killer no matter what the package, but it's not nearly as problematic as the delamination of the coil under that heat...

4) Now cut that out!!! You can easily saturate -any- bipolar transistor on a 6 volt supply, and it's just as happy to run in linear mode biased anywhar in between. In fact, many bipolar silicon processes and even moreso in MOSFETs are limited to 20-25V max., and some power switchers can't use gate voltages higher than 10V without damage.. In an HEI or CD ignition, the dynamic switched coil current spike on the primary side don't look much different on 6V vs. 12V.

But reasons #1 and #2 are sufficient to justify the reason there is no electronic ignition for my frontmount 8N!!!

God bless Dell anyhow for all the right reasons!!!!

(I'll crawl back into my hole now!!)

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as I said . . . Dell (WA)

08-08-2002 18:08:18




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 Re: Re: Re: 8N Electronic Ignition?? in reply to With all duly earned respect....Jeff Hoo, 08-08-2002 17:14:00  
Jeff..... ...as I said, "if you really understand electronics and are invertant tinkerer, well yeah, you can design and build one for braggin' rights. Bottom line, electronic ignition for casual consummer is a "NO GO"..... .....Dell



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Ron from IL

08-08-2002 12:53:25




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 Re: 8N Electronic Ignition?? in reply to Todd W., 08-08-2002 11:47:53  
Todd,

A few years ago, the N-Newsletter magazine had an article in their summer issue about a guy who had modified a Genessee electronic ignition unit to work with a front mounted unit. He had to turn the shaft down on a lathe and bore out the sleeve of the electronic unit on order for it to work, but he said that it really improved the performance of his tractor.

I'd love to have an electronic ignition for my 2N, but unless I find a used distributor that I can modify (or Genessee decides to produce a unit for 9/2N's), I'll probably not get my wish.

Good Luck!

Ron

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George

08-08-2002 12:24:45




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 Re: 8N Electronic Ignition?? in reply to Todd W., 08-08-2002 11:47:53  
Check out Genesee products(http://www.geneseeproducts.com/). Even though they do not list an electronic conversion for a front mount 9N, they can do one. I e-mailed them out of curiosity a few weeks ago. They said that the distributor would need some modifications (which they could perform). If I remember correctly the price was around $190 (don't quote me on that). Too steep for me, especially since I do not plan to keep my 9N too much longer. I bought it from a neighbor as a "starter" tractor until I figured out what I really wanted to take care of my acreage. I am looking for a MF 135 or a Ford 3000. Having an "antique" tractor is fun. There are just some weekends that I would like to "work" my tractor without having to "work on" it, if you know what I mean. Even if my N ran fine all the time without any work, it would still be nice to have live PTO and power steering.

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Evil Steve

08-08-2002 12:07:49




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 Re: 8N Electronic Ignition?? in reply to Todd W., 08-08-2002 11:47:53  
Never heard of a conversion kit for a front mount.

Your tractor's 53 years old and made it this far as designed. Don't be frustrated by having to do a little extra maintenance because it has a points & condensor ignition system.

part of the fun with these tractors is that maintenance. Gives you a great feeling to tinker around a bit and have her running like she was new. Also gives you some great stories to share on this board. Don't give up bubba.

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