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LATEST IDEA FROM MENLOW PARK ALABAMA ON N HYDRAULICS

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ZANE

08-04-2002 09:24:46




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This morning I have been bush hoggin with the 8N that I installed one of my LIVE THANG live hydraulic systems on after I discovered that the guts in the belly pump were all scrambled. I left the pump chambers with their vaves and the control valve and relief valve intact and plumbed the belt driven pump into the system. It worked like a charm to begine with but the hotter the oil got the weaker the lift got. It would still raise the heavy duty five foot bush hog up but the engine had to be revved up in order for it to do it. I have not checked it out yet but I am thinking that the pump is leaking somewhere internally. Maybe the pump chamber valves??? Maybe the pump housing is cracked???? I don't think the relief valve or the rings or leaking but it is possible the relief valve is. I don't see any leak of concern out of the cylinder.

While bush hogging this morning I was trying to think of how to fix this latest problem (weak) and I came up with what I think may be the answer to a prayer for somebody like me who has a bad pump.

This is the idea.

First install one of my LIVE THANGs. Then remove the pump completely and make a steel plate blank to cover the hole where the pump was with a drilled passage to attach the input oil to the ram cylinder. Install a single action control valve with a relief valve encorporated in the line from the front pump and then back into the pump blank that has been drilled and tapped to accept the pressure hose from the control valve. The pressure line could also be tapped in at the top of the lift housing where the pressure line gallery is on top and then you could just plug the gallery coming out of the pump and use it as a cover for the bottom only.

Install the control valve in the same location as the original touch control handle and connect it to one of my ZANE THANGs so it will still have position control. To keep it from going to high and pushing the ram cylinder pistion out of the cylinder or jamming the rocker against the housing I would install another position limiting block to prevent the lift from going to high.

This set up would not have any draft control at all though. (Bad!)But it would give you a very responsive position control system.

If this stupid thing keep giving me fits I plan on trying out this theory some time in the near future.

Stay tuned!

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Richie MaGoo

08-04-2002 13:55:16




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 Re: LATEST IDEA FROM MENLOW PARK ALABAMA ON N HYDRAULICS in reply to ZANE, 08-04-2002 09:24:46  
Zane, I had an old MF85 that had the reverse of what your talking about. Someone had put a loader on the front, and somehow routed the hydraulics from the pressure side of the internal pump, through a control valve assembly which sat on top of the tranny, to work the loader and the 3pt. (via means of a ram cylinder, welded onto the bottom of the leveller). In this set up, you had to keep the quadrant lever in the fully "up" position, or none of the hydraulics would work.

What does this have to do with your idea? Absolutely nothing! It just reminded me of it....and I always found that set-up intriguing!

Sounds like a doable idea....but why not just replace your pump. (I'd tell you who has a good one....but some might consider it "advertising")

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Jeff Hoo

08-04-2002 09:45:00




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 Re: LATEST IDEA FROM MENLOW PARK ALABAMA ON N HYDRAULICS in reply to ZANE, 08-04-2002 09:24:46  
Zane, I don't get it.

If you're going to go to all the trouble of bypassing the control circuits and lose draft control, why not replace the leaky/wimpy cylinder with a new bolt on top-plate with a new external cylinder, too?

Kit would include Live Thang pump, Blank bottom plate, and Blank top plate/seat mount with spool valve mount and external cylinder/lift pivot.

Then the internals just serve as the resevoir and that's it.

And be done with it.

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