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5lb of oil pressure

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Dave D

07-07-2002 07:05:27




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Thanks for the great info and for making me feel like an idiot. But I am back for more.
The same 8n when worked, like with a brush hog or just hulling hay the oil will drop to about 5lb I do I need to worry? If yes will I have to overhaul the entire motor?
Be easy on me I am not a mechanic.




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Mike In NC

07-07-2002 19:40:41




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 Re: 5lb of oil pressure in reply to Dave D, 07-07-2002 07:05:27  
Dave:
I've been through this a few times with old tractors. The simplest fix is usually the most unlikely. The spring in your pressure relief valve may be worn out. Its cheap to start there.
From that point, you most likely have worn main bearings and a crank shaft that needs some lathing work - the #1 cause of low pressure in the N's. In between these two sit a worn bushing in your oil pump - not a strong possibility. I have seen a lot of quick fixes, but on these old Ford's I will bet on bearings and crank. I am not a fan of thicker oil to fix a low oil pressure problem (with all deference to others). I think it slows the lubrication with these old low pressure pumps when the tractor first starts cold, causing more damage. Also it sometimes doesn't flow well through the oil tube.

Mike

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Bill Hires

07-07-2002 17:13:55




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 Re: 5lb of oil pressure in reply to Dave D, 07-07-2002 07:05:27  
The 8N Ford tractor does not use camshaft bearing inserts and rides directly on machined bores in the crankcase. After 50+ years the camshaft bearing bores are worn egg shaped. You can have a machinist line bore these and put in bearing inserts, allowing for the correct camshaft to bearing oil clearance. This should raise the oil pressure. Good luck!



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Hal/WA

07-07-2002 12:38:43




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 Re: 5lb of oil pressure in reply to Dave D, 07-07-2002 07:05:27  
You may have real problems that can only be fixed with an overhaul, but there are a few things to try, if your engine generally runs well. Your main and rod bearing clearance may be too large due to wear. This usually shows up as low oil pressure when RPM's are low and oil temperature is high. I would try heavier oil--40wt or 20w50 and see if the problem is better. Another option that I might try is STP or Motor Honey, though lots of people look down on those products. these schemes have kept vehicles working OK for me in the past. It might work fine for a long time using the thicker oil. Warning: they start much harder in cold weather with heavier oil.

Another possible problem is a nearly worn out oil pump. Again, if the engine runs well and your compression test is fine, I would consider opening up the crankcase to check bearing clearance with Plastigage. If the clearances are a bit large, I would consider putting new bearings in, if none of the bearings look like they have been really wiped out, but just have fairly even wear. This is a judgment call that you can not make without opening up the crankcase and looking at and feeling the bearings and crank journals. You also have to remove the inserts to see what undersize to buy. It is, of course a band-aid fix. While I had it open, I would add a rebuilt oil pump in any case, as if you decide to overhaul the engine, you will want a new pump anyway.

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Mountainman

07-07-2002 10:23:46




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 Re: 5lb of oil pressure in reply to Dave D, 07-07-2002 07:05:27  
In hot weather you should be using 40 wt oil in the engine and the air filter (change both at the same time). It might help increase the oil pressure a bit.

Hope this helps.

Mountainman...CA



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Jerry Wi

07-07-2002 09:48:07




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 Re: 5lb of oil pressure in reply to Dave D, 07-07-2002 07:05:27  
Hi Dave, I'm going to go for a simple answer. Run your engine a few minutes then shut down and check your oil level. You might just be low. Happen to me this morning. Good luck.



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Dave Smith

07-07-2002 07:53:19




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 Re: 5lb of oil pressure in reply to Dave D, 07-07-2002 07:05:27  
Dave, No one meant to make you feel like a idiot. Remember we all are gear heads or motor heads here. There are people here with all types of expertise. Most of us do not know how to express ourselves with a keyboard. Some do.
You did not mention at what speed the engine was running with only 5 lbs of oil pressure. If it is just ideling that is not so bad. Some one here has said if you have 10 lbs oil pressure for every 1000 rpm you are in good shape.
If it is that low with 3/4 throttle you are probably looking at a overhaul in you're future.
Have you given it a compression test? If you do not know how to do that look in the archives. There is lots of information on that.
Incidently 3/4 throttle should equate to about 1550 rpm that equuates to about 540 pto rpm. That is the speed most equiptment is designed to work at.
Dave <*)))><

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