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Leans out and dies after awhile

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Jeff Hoo

06-17-2002 05:53:10




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I'm going to change all the screens in the fuel line to see what that does...but where to get them? Do local parts stores carry them?

SYMPTOMS: After running all day (just lifting posts, not pulling anything hard), but just when you need her to hang in there, she'll start sputtering and die at any throttle setting. If you pull on the choke, she'll hang on 15-30 seconds more. (Sounds like a movie with an old bi-plane that's about to crash...)

Let her sit for about 30 seconds to a minute, and she starts right back up, no problemo. Runs for another 5-15 minutes.

The fuel line feels cool all over, so I don't think it's vapor locking. Opening the bowl stopcock lets fuel run out.

And it still does it with the gas cap cracked, so I don't think it's the vent. Tapping on the carb and cussing doesn't seem to do anything but scare the mouse in my toolbox.

I did open the mixture knob one more turn and that seems to prolong the periods between sputtering.

I saw lotsa posts in the archives about electrical probs, but I feel like I want it to be a fuel problem! It is an early 8N with front-mount disti, tho.

Anyone want to give me an order-of-operations for debug?

Screens first? Coil next? Or rebuild carb next? Or?

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Tom-Pa

06-18-2002 09:26:12




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 Re: Leans out and dies after awhile in reply to Jeff Hoo, 06-17-2002 05:53:10  
Just fixed mine with the same problem. I had to remove the sediment bowl assy. and blow out the intake tubes. Crud in the tank was going over the top of the screen in the tank and getting in the fuel tubes. Ended up draining the gas thru some filter (2 paint filters) and flushing the tank out. then when I put the gas back in I again poured thru the filters and it captured even more crud missed the first time. Good Luck

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Fast Ed Ohio

06-17-2002 22:03:10




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 Re: Leans out and dies after awhile in reply to Jeff Hoo, 06-17-2002 05:53:10  
I had a mouse build a nest in the carb. intake tube , ran great after I evicted them for not paying rent .



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MO

06-17-2002 07:48:48




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 Re: Leans out and dies after awhile in reply to Jeff Hoo, 06-17-2002 05:53:10  
Have to agree with Dell. I just went through the same thing and Dell suggested the same thing. I didn't want to believe him because in all my wisdom I wanted to think that it was a fuel problem, too. Everything pointed to a lean condition, and I was convinced that was the direction that I needed to take. After eliminating anything that remotely had to do with fuel, I grudgingly changed the coil. Problem solved! (Thanks Dell).

MO

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Dell (WA)

06-17-2002 07:14:59




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 Re: Leans out and dies after awhile in reply to Jeff Hoo, 06-17-2002 05:53:10  
Jeff..... ....all your problem descriptions support the failing frontmount ignition coil theory.

BUT lets make sure you haven't overlooked a bad ignition switch. Next time it conks out on you, quick, jumper wire with alligator clippies, your ignition switch. If it starts right up, you know the drill.

Many years ago, I got my fuel valve and carb elbow filter from local NAPA store. Local Ford dealer was 120 miles up the road.

One of the founding N-Board contributors used to claim that 80% of all carb problems were found and solved in the ignition system, something to think about..... ...Dell

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Fixed!? More questions...Jeff Hoo

06-18-2002 06:52:32




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 Re: Re: Leans out and dies after awhile in reply to Dell (WA), 06-17-2002 07:14:59  
Of course, pulling posts up yesterday she started and ran fine long enough to fool me into thinking the gremlins had gone.....

Why she can't die under a tree where it's nice to work, I'll never know.

Short story: blew out the screen in the elbow and voila!

As for the coil, I'm heeding the warnings ahead of time. Question on that, though. I've seen so many folks on here have coils crap out, I wonder if the capacitive discharge/electronic ignition amplifiers would help prolong their life, since they never put DC on the coil if the points happen to be closed?? Or is it mostly engine heat that kills them??? If so I'm going to look at moving it away from where Henry put it.

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Dell (WA)

06-18-2002 08:40:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Leans out and dies after awhile in reply to Fixed!? More questions...Jeff Hoo, 06-18-2002 06:52:32  
Jeff..... .....Having been an early and satisified user of the Delta Mk 10 CD ignition, and having homebuilt one of the original CD's circuits that the Mk 10 was based upon (we're talking 1959 here) and UNLESS you are invertent tinker and qualified electronics tech, I don't think you really want to try and adapt any sort of electronics ignition system to the frontmount distributor. Bigest reason, you can't get into the points to get your trigger signal without being very very clever.

And NO, there is NO commercially available electronics ignition module available for frontmount distributor, sorry.

Frontmount ignition coil is killed by heat. Mostly internally generated by too much AMPS. but heat transfer from radiator is contributory too.

Biggest source of excess AMPS is a "missing" or by-passed ballast resistor on the backside of the dashpanel.

There are some miss-guided shadetree mechanics, that by-pass the infamous ballast resistor in the miss-taken idea that the reason the tractor won't start, is the sparkies are not hot enuff.....

well yes, if you increase the amps, the sparkies will be hotter until the internal insulative tar melts from the increased amps and shorts out the coil windings. All-in-all, not a longterm viable idea..... ..... Dell

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