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3rd try at hydraulics,(pics) and Q's

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Bob

04-08-2002 12:59:59




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I got my 8N hyd. control adjusted per Zane's jig and put the cover back on with a helper guiding the control rod into the socket that attaches to the pump. Started it up and now...nothing. No sign of action. Before it was hit and miss with the hydraulics, now there is absolutely no lift. I tried the intake valve on the pump while the tractor was running manually and the lift arms will go up so it has to be in the control linkage.

Took apart again, rechecked, again..nothing.

It seems the control arm coming from the quadrant to the pump is not moving as it should. I took it all off, and the control arm just seems "loose" . Is it supposed to slide freely back and forth on the little bushing no matter where the quadrant contol is placed? I put a new lock nut on but can't tighten any more on the threaded end of the lift shaft that goes all the way out to the quadrant.

I feel sure there is just too much play in the control arm which in turn, means the valves on the pump aren't moving. Can you see what I mean about play in the control arm from the pics? I tried to show how it can flop around forward or back (and side to side) at least 1" or so which (I would think) make all the difference in the world in controlling the valves. The top left picture shows it vertical, and then the one on the right shows how it can flop forward. The bottom to show a similar thing, just close up.

But I have no idea if this is truly the cause or how much "give" should be in the control arm itself, or even where to tighten it down at!?

Notes:
00) Used Zane's jig.
0) Control arm end is in socket
1) PTO is engaged & running
2) I replaced with new cam pin
3) control lever in position control (although it doesn't work either way)
4) lift control arm not bent (just loose, see above!)

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RBinMS

04-11-2002 08:50:56




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 Re: 3rd try at hydraulics,(pics) and Q's in reply to Bob, 04-08-2002 12:59:59  
I was having the same exact problem with the lift on my '48 8N, I could move the intake valve on the hydraulic pump and everything worked fine but when I got it all back together it was "hit and miss". I had already replaced the cam follower pin and tested my hydraulic pump which was putting out 1500 psi.

I started reading some of ZANE's replies and thanks to him came up with the following conclusion:

At some point in the life of my 8N it had to have sustained an "excessive impact" to the draft control linkage because these 3 components were all bent:

- the plunger rod (part number 541) in the middle of the main spring
- the draft control link (part number 540)
- the control rod (part number 524)

On the control rod, it was bent in the middle AND the little tip on the end was bent towards the back of the tractor. Since I've (very carefully) straightened these out, everything works as advertised.

Also, you mentioned that your control rod was really loose. Mine was too and still is after straightening everything out. I don't know if it's just made that way or what cause I can't find anyway to tighten it up.

Another thing I noticed was after I put it all back together and found out everything works, the main spring was really loose. When I have the lift all the way down and push in on the rocker it starts to lift up. Just like it's supposed to.

I sure hope this helps you. I know what a pain it is to keep having to pull that lift cover off.

RB

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Keith_MD

04-09-2002 04:56:55




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 Re: 3rd try at hydraulics,(pics) and Q's in reply to Bob, 04-08-2002 12:59:59  
Bob, There should be a key in the shaft of the quadrant. Sounds like possibly your lever is slipping on the shaft because this key is missing. The nut and spring are really only for adjusting the tension on the friction disk, so the quadrant doesn't flop around on you when your bouncing across the field. Hope this helps.

Keith



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Keith_MD

04-08-2002 14:13:27




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 Re: 3rd try at hydraulics,(pics) and Q's in reply to Bob, 04-08-2002 12:59:59  
Bob, There should be a key in the shaft of the quadrant. Sounds like possibly your lever is slipping on the shaft because this key is missing. The nut and spring are really only for adjusting the tension on the friction disk, so the quadrant doesn't flop around on you when your bouncing across the field. Hope this helps.

Keith



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