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Logging Winch is Finished!!!

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Brian *N* S. IL

02-22-2002 20:21:02




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I just finished up my homemade logging winch today... and decided to test it while putting the cable on the drum...had it tied to a big tree to give some tension to wrap the cable and decided to see how good it could pull. As you can see, it has more than enough power to lift the tractor :-)




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The winch is belt drive from the PTO, and has both forward and reverse drive. The reverse is giving me a little trouble, but a little bit of tweaking and refinement and I think I can get things ironed out and running smooth. Otherwise, it works GREAT! Extremely powerful, enough power to completely flip the tractor over backwards should you choose to do so :-)

I'm using 7/16 Improved plow steel 6x19 IWRC cable rated at over 18,000 pounds if I remember correctly, so the cable should be plenty strong for my use. I have it set up so that I can use a rope to engage the winch drive, so I can stand off to the side of the tractor well out of the way of the cable should it break.

What fun it is to design something yourself, build it, and have it work!!

Take care all!

Brian

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Pat { goinNutts}

02-24-2002 22:06:39




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 Re: Logging Winch is Finished!!! in reply to Brian *N* S. IL, 02-22-2002 20:21:02  
nice job brian, glad to see ya got it done, looks likeit is going to do a good job, I believe you had a pretty specific chore in mind for your winch when ya made it ,,, it is not like you are always going to try to "flip" your tractor over any time soon, just wanted to make a point,,,, I think you will be happy with the set up,,, as far as cable goes you will be happy with it as long as you respect it, which if you went to the troble of making a winch that size you will and know that you will, I have been in the wrecker business for some time and have never had a problem with cables, have used snatch blocks even in multiples,,, twice the pulling power half the speed,, keep an eye on the cable ,first signs of wear replace it,,, or cut it far enough back and repair with the right clamps,,,, try to avoid bird nesting when winching,, but these things I think you know already,,, I say stay with the cable ,,, you'll do fine,, I do have a question though???? in the picture it looks like the cable is going up and then over a piece of piping that looks similar to a lifting bar,,,,, that will I think take power away from the directed pull????? off the winch may be better???? just a thought,, any way nice job and good luck,
pat

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Brian *N* S. IL

02-25-2002 09:49:54




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 Re: Re: Logging Winch is Finished!!! in reply to Pat { goinNutts}, 02-24-2002 22:06:39  
Pat,

The cable comes up off the drum, and then over a pulley attached to a length of 3/4 inch chain, and then out to the load.

Thanks for the compliments... Yep, I did put some time into designing it, and I did have some specific uses for it in mind. I looked at the commercial logging winches available out there and incorporated the basic features of them into my winch, using what materials I had or could obtain reasonably.

The best price I could find for a commercial unit was about $1800, I built mine for about $700 total plus a few weekend days of welding and whatnot. I think it was worth it!

Now I can get logs out of the woods that you have to nearly be a mountain goat to get access to...climb down to the log, hook onto it, and out it comes, easy as that!

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pat

02-25-2002 17:23:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Logging Winch is Finished!!! in reply to Brian *N* S. IL, 02-25-2002 09:49:54  
yup brian sounds like ya have a winner on your hands,,, just from hearing and seeing your intentions the first time on here I knew you had it together,, just wanted to say good luck and congrats on the finish,, the truth be known I have been bouncing the idea of taking one of my tow truck winches, the older style, chain driven can easily convert to be used with pto, for either my tractor, or believe it or not I had a 79 jeep that was my "tractor" before the 9n pulls like crazy, but maybe put a winch on one of these, ok good luck pat

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68 Mag

02-23-2002 08:50:00




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 Re: Logging Winch is Finished!!! in reply to Brian *N* S. IL, 02-22-2002 20:21:02  
First, let me say it looks like you did a great job with the winch. Second, let me share a few winching tips that I've picked up from ATV riders. Most of these are common sense, but still...


1- Never wrap your winch cable around the tree and hook it to itself. Always put a tow strap or chain around the tree, then hook the cable to it. The cable hook rubbing on the bable while being stresses can sever the cable, especially under that much pressure.

2- When winching, always ballast your cable. Throw a heavy jacket, blanket, or other object across the cable at about the midway point. This way, if the cable were to snap, it should help control how fast it moves or where it goes.

3- Never stand diretly in line with the winch cable, for all the reasons mentioned above.


Well, I doubt I helped anyone, but...


Later,

68 Mag

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Barnstormer

02-23-2002 10:05:59




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 Re: Re: Logging Winch is Finished!!! in reply to 68 Mag, 02-23-2002 08:50:00  
Yes you did help. I have helped a friend skid some logs using a 1956 Dodge Powerwagon (military)with a winch. I had forgotten the cable ballast idea until you wrote it. I won't forget again.



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Salmoneye

02-23-2002 10:41:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Logging Winch is Finished!!! in reply to Barnstormer, 02-23-2002 10:05:59  
While a blanket or jacket will add some small measure of help if the cable parts, please do NOT rely on it...That cable has a lot of potential in it and if you are on the wrong side of the coat when it parts, the unweighted side will still whip with deadly force...been there...done that...replaced fender, grill, and radiator too...tree was fine though...



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Salmoneye

02-23-2002 04:40:21




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 Re: Logging Winch is Finished!!! in reply to Brian *N* S. IL, 02-22-2002 20:21:02  
First off let me say that you have done a great job on the winch from what I can see.

Secondly, let me say that I hate cable. Hardcore 4WD guys stay away from it like the plague as it can kill ya. Most serious offroaders use winch 'rope' which is made from braided nylon and kevlar. The 'rope' does not stretch like steel cable. Here is a bit I stole from a JeepTech site a while back:

I can figure two or three advantages for the ropes versus cables...

1)The ropes will allow you to drop about 25 to 30 lbs off the weight.

2)There is no stray strands of metal to rip your hands wide open.

3)The rope does not stretch, therefore retains little or no energy, which means that if it breaks the ropes pretty much lays down and dies instead of whipping through the hood and/or roof of your Jeep. Cable stretches, therefore retains huge amounts of energy.

Play safe with that new toy!

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Dave Smith, A lot of years ago

02-23-2002 04:01:48




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 Re: Logging Winch is Finished!!! in reply to Brian *N* S. IL, 02-22-2002 20:21:02  
When most of you guys didn't even show as a gleam in you're fathers eye yet. (late 40s I was about 11 or 12 years old) Some other kids and I was watching a steam shovel (actually a winch and cable powered back hoe) dig a cellar for a new house. The operator got ahold of something that did not want to move. He gave it a little more power. The cable snapped like a rifle shot. The suddenly reliesed cable flew back and hit the operator and decapitated him.

Be extremly carefull about over stressing cables. I prefer to work with chains.
Dave <*)))><

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Bob /Ont.

02-22-2002 21:56:42




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 Re: Logging Winch is Finished!!! in reply to Brian *N* S. IL, 02-22-2002 20:21:02  
Brian Standing off to the side is a real good idea, not only due to cable breaks but you can keep an eye on the tractor and stop in time. That little ford aint no skidder. You might make it less tippy with real heavy loads by dropping the block on the fairlead and throw some stove length logs under the cable if you need to at times. that said looks like quite a project you had there.
Good luck with the logging.Bob

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Mark Hendershot

02-22-2002 21:38:32




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 Re: Logging Winch is Finished!!! in reply to Brian *N* S. IL, 02-22-2002 20:21:02  
Looks like you use a bull blade to ancor with. Do you think it has enought power to lift it to the point of tipping? You could give it a good stress test and see how it would act over loaded with out a live load first. I do not mean to try to tip over the tractor either just take it to the max. point with a controled pull attached to a point that won't move that way you could tell if it might pivot on a corner of the bull blade if one side was softer then the other for ground contact. In Vietnam we had Tank Retrivers that used the Bull Blade but we would lift up onto it first to stop it from moving. Thats how I tested my fork lift by lifting the front end to see how it acted befor I did it with something I should not have done it with. Mark H.

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Brian *N* S. IL

02-23-2002 09:38:01




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 Re: Re: Logging Winch is Finished!!! in reply to Mark Hendershot, 02-22-2002 21:38:32  
Mark,

Yep, it has more than enough power to pull the tractor completely over. I had it at just over dead idle, winding the wire rope onto the drum when I decided to see how well the blade would work. I lowered the winch to the ground, and started to pull again... I was watching the winch cable and the blade dig into the ground, but not watching the tractor so close...when I looked forward and "OH S***!!" It's hard to tell in the photos, but the front wheels are about 2-3 feet off the ground. The tractor didn't even grunt a little bit. This thing's got some POWER.

I don't know exactly how it will behave if the blade isn't anchored evenly... I would assume that it won't do anything too nasty, as it pulls fairly slowly...I think about 23 feet per minute is what I figured out when I was designing the thing. That gives you a lot of time to stop before things get out of hand. I can't wait to take it out to the woods and try it out for real... I have a little bit more tweaking to do on it, as the reverse belt keeps wanting to jump off, have to make up some belt guides to keep that from happening. Then it will be fully operational!

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Mark Hendershot

02-23-2002 10:06:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Logging Winch is Finished!!! in reply to Brian *N* S. IL, 02-23-2002 09:38:01  
You might be able to rig up a safety that if the tractor lifts in would stop the winch thru the control. I have hurt myself before with a capstand winch, I was pulling a log up a hill with it hooked to the back of the trucks hitch. I had 3 wraps around the capstand and the log was moving very slowly. I was useing 3/4" Nylon pulling rope supplied with the winch (it was a setup for pulling wire in conduit) The rope was 250ft. long and it did strech about 25ft plus in the pull. The winch was rated at 6,000 lbs every thing was going fine till the rope over laped the leading end I was holding to keep it tight on the capstand head and started to wind up on the head. I stopped the motor and tried to get the rope out from under the one going to the log. I jerked it and ZING that rope got loose on the head and pulled thru my hand so fast that my leather gloves smoked and burned my fingers. It allmost pulled my fingers off and pulled my hands tru the winch wraps!!! That was the last time I did that ever again and I left the log where it was and cut it up later. I have used this set up many times pulling wire but when I used it for what it was not designed for that was when I allmost paid for it with my hands being removed. So watch what you do with it, they can be real mean! Mark H.

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Bob /Ont.

02-23-2002 22:04:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Logging Winch is Finished!!! in reply to Mark Hendershot, 02-23-2002 10:06:07  
I can relate to that Mark. That's how I pull the tracks onto a high drive Cat. Always hold the 40' of 1/2" chain well back from the finaldrive I wrap it around, if she slips I'm outa there, and live to try again. Used to have chain overlap and jamup problems but I have them worked out now. I'm glad knowone freaked when they saw Brians set up, He put a lot of hard work into it, hate to think of where we would be without all of the Brians that went before. By now Bob

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Mark Hendershot

02-23-2002 22:46:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Logging Winch is Finished!!! in reply to Bob /Ont., 02-23-2002 22:04:44  
He dose have a nice set/up! Even now I think if I had a EYE on my winch for the rope to go thru I would not have got it under the rope going to the log and had it get stuck. I never thought a rope would go so fast thru your finger and by holding tight on it when it went it poped every knuckel on my fingers and if I did not have Heavy Leather Gloves on I probly would have lost them. I did see a wrecker truck pulling a dozer out have a hook break and that cable came back and riped the mirror off the truck. Lucky it did not hit the opperator on the way to the front of the truck. These are thing we have to keep in mine all the time when working with this type of equipment it can kill and stress tests should be 5-times the forse that you will ever use it for. That way you have a saftey margin and things can still go wrong. Mark H.

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Brian *N* S. IL

02-23-2002 13:11:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Logging Winch is Finished!!! in reply to Mark Hendershot, 02-23-2002 10:06:07  
Don't worry, I've seen cables/wire ropes break before. I have the utmost respect for them.

Brian



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