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12V Generator Conversion
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do I need a resistor?

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Michael

10-30-2000 20:12:14




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I have a '43 2N. I am replaceing my 6V gen with a 12V gen. The rebuilt looks exactly like the old one. Do I need a resistor? I understand that w/an alternator conversion, a resistor is required.

I also have a 12V coil, and a 12V battery. I there anything else I need? I don't think I have a regulator. So I'm not planning on adding one unless it's required. This is my first tractor, so it's all a bit new to me.

Thanks, Michael

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Claus

10-31-2000 03:51:03




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 Re: 12V Generator Conversion - do I need a resistor? in reply to Michael, 10-30-2000 20:12:14  
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The voltage that Altinators and Generators put out, depends to a large part on what the regulator setting is at. Without a voltage regulator, you will kill everything, battery, coil, crabgrass, (The crabgrass gets killed by the battery acid that will violently boil out of the battery)
Happy Motoring
Claus

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Michael

10-31-2000 08:10:42




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 Re: Re: 12V Generator Conversion - do I need a resistor? in reply to Claus, 10-31-2000 03:51:03  
Thanks for the info and the entertainment value. I am still uncertain of where in the wiring scheme to install a regulator since I don't seem to have one on a stock 2N. Any suggestions where I can find a wiring diagram? The Ford service manual has a wiring diagram, but nothing is labled.
Thanks, Michael



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Claus

10-31-2000 08:16:45




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 Re: Re: Re: 12V Generator Conversion - do I need a resistor? in reply to Michael, 10-31-2000 08:10:42  
You would use the 8N diagram for installing a regulator... You could go to Nseries for the actual wiring.
Happy Motoring
Claus



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Jim WI

10-31-2000 10:35:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 12V Generator Conversion - do I need a resistor? in reply to Claus, 10-31-2000 08:16:45  
Unless it is truly a converted third-brush generator (which is possible even though I've never heard of one until just recently).

Then it should be just a parts swap.



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Michael

10-31-2000 23:44:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 12V Generator Conversion - do I need a resistor? in reply to Jim WI, 10-31-2000 10:35:43  
I found a guy who could rebuild my 2N 6V genny w/12V field coils. I understand the voltage is a function of the number of windings in the coil.

Rather than wait mine to be rebuilt by him, I ordered a rebuilt one from a mail order house. Mine is a 1 wire genny, but they also make 3 wires. From the outside, it is identical to the 6V unit.

Regardless, my question is: where do I install the resistor? Right after the Cutout Relay? Or just before the Coil? Is the goal to reduce current to the coil only, or to the battery as well?

Thanks, Michael

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Jim WI

11-03-2000 10:59:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 12V Generator Conversion - do I need a resistor? in reply to Michael, 10-31-2000 23:44:59  
Which mail-order house did you get it from?

As for the resistor:

If you're using a 12v coil, I'm not sure what resistance you need -- it may depend on the coil.

If an OEM coil, you could replace the OEM resistor with higher value or add another in series with the OEM resistor -- mine has just the new resistor (for a 70's Chrysler product). You need something between 3 and 4.5 volts at the coil with the points closed, the engine stopped and the ignitions switch on (mine's a little over 4v). It may take some experimentation to get the right resistance.

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Claus

11-01-2000 04:06:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 12V Generator Conversion - do I need a resistor? in reply to Michael, 10-31-2000 23:44:59  
The voltage produced by a generator depends on the number of connections of the armature conductors, the strenght of the magnetic path for the field, speed at which the conductors cut through the magnetic field... etc...
The resistor would be in the ignition circuit. It could be after or before the ballast resistor. The goal as you call it is to reduce the current to the coil and the points.
Happy Motoring
Claus

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yes.....Dell (WA)

10-30-2000 23:20:55




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 Re: 12V Generator Conversion - do I need a resistor? in reply to Michael, 10-30-2000 20:12:14  
Michael..... ..It doesn't matter generator or alternator, if ya' runnin' 12 volts, yer gonna need a resistor. Check and read carefully, the specification sheet that should come with your new 12 volt frontmount ignition coil. In 8 different languages ('cept 'merican) it should tell you what value resistor you need.

The latest info that I have is the 12 volt frontmount ignition coil is specified for 13 volts max. This is why you need a resistor. Most 12 volt alternators and I suspect 12 volt generators put out about 14.5 volts. Otherwize, they won't properly charge the 12 volt battery. 14.5 volts is too much power and will overheat the ignition coil and melt the insulative tar and short out the turns and stop your sparkies and burn out your ignition points.

I'm more concerned about your appearent lack of a regulator for your 12 volt generator. That is why the Delco SI-10 12 volt alternator is so popular for 12 volt conversions, it has a "built-in" voltage regulator.

I would encourage you to carefully study the readily available conversion wiring diagrams, know and understand them well and particularily those that employ an external voltage regulator because you are on your own..... ....Dell

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Michael

10-31-2000 08:03:14




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 Re: Re: 12V Generator Conversion - do I need a resistor? in reply to yes.....Dell (WA), 10-30-2000 23:20:55  
Thanks for the info. I am confused because 1) I don't see any voltage regulator in the wiring diagrams for my stock 2N, and 2) because the generator has adjustable output controlled by a screw at the back of the generator.

Where can I find wiring diagrams that would tell me where in the wiring scheme to install a resistor or regulator? Once I have installed a regulator or resistor, do I set my genny output to maximum? Thanks, Michael

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Claus

10-31-2000 08:22:37




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 Re: Re: Re: 12V Generator Conversion - do I need a resistor? in reply to Michael, 10-31-2000 08:03:14  
Your 12 volt generator is a 3 brush? Kind of difficult to believe...If yours is a 3 brush then I believe that it is a 6 volt generator and you would use it with a cutout relay as in original equipment.
Happy Motoring
Claus



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Jim WI

10-31-2000 10:34:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 12V Generator Conversion - do I need a resistor? in reply to Claus, 10-31-2000 08:22:37  
Yep -- and I want to know where the 12v third-brush generator came from. Seems like a natural answer to all the questions about the 10SI conversions.

He'll most likely still need the resistor for the 12v coil even if the coil doesn't come with anything that says so (listen to the voice of experience on this one!) I think they're generally designed to use the OEM resistor.



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