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8N Exhaust/Intake Manifold

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TBKEEFER

10-20-2000 05:47:42




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I recently inherited my grandfather's 52 8N. Great tractor, but needs alot of love. I have replaced the radiator, new plugs, re-installed the headlights, etc.

I have a crack in the E/I manifold. I have "treated" the nuts/studs with penetrating oil for last few days and have had no problem removing one of the bolts. I have not tried removing the #4 nut (closest to the air filter) because of the air line to the carb. I have tried to remove the nuts on #1 and #3 with no success. The nuts appear to be 11/16's, but I cannot get any of my Craftsman sockets to fit the nut because the gap between the nut and the manifold is narrower than the socket wall thickness.

I have used a 1/2 and 3/8 drive deepwell socket both 6 point. I am going to Sears today to get a 12-point socket. I have not tried using a wrench, since my hood is still attached.

As anyone experienced this, or have I missed something.

PS.. the nuts are in great shape - ie they are not "stripped"

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Charlie in TX

10-20-2000 12:36:29




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 Re: 8N Exhaust/Intake Manifold in reply to TBKEEFER, 10-20-2000 05:47:42  
I agree with the others, 12pt is not the answer. It appears as if someone replaced the nuts with ones that are larger than normal (11/16 vs 5/8) but the correct threads. If they are already busted loose, you can take a 6pt socket and grind metal off the outside diameter until it fits. I would not do this if they have not been brocken loose yet.

Another solution. Because the manifold is already cracked and in need of replacement, you can place the 6pt socket on the nut as best you can then beat it on with a hammer. Who cares if you break an already broken manifold?

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ps...get the right nuts

10-20-2000 12:39:32




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 Re: Re: 8N Exhaust/Intake Manifold in reply to Charlie in TX, 10-20-2000 12:36:29  
get the right nuts when you put it back together.



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TBKEEFER

10-20-2000 10:22:48




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 Re: Re: 8N Exhaust/Intake Manifold in reply to WARNING.....Dell (WA), 10-20-2000 07:49:39  
Thanks for the info guys, but I am still searching a bit. I will try to remove the hood this weekend and give myself some more working room.

1) I don't believe the nuts are the orginal brass. They appear to be steel.

2) Another post recommended that I use a 3/8 drive 6point deep well. This has been tried.

I am curious about the fact that your manual indicates that the nuts are 5/8ths. I have tried a 5/8 socket, but too tight.

Thanks again and I will update when this saga is completed..... .TBKEEFER

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Nolan

10-20-2000 11:08:03




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 Re: Re: Re: 8N Exhaust/Intake Manifold in reply to TBKEEFER, 10-20-2000 10:22:48  
Those nuts went on there, and it was done with a tool, so another tool will get them back off. Couple of quick points (or maybe pointers).

Rust will often make a nut seem larger then it is.
Not all nuts and sockets are made to perfect standard. So if the socket seems close, try tapping it on with a hammer (tapping, not whaling).

There is always the possibility that someone got clever and used a metric nut. It would be in keeping with Ford's notion of how to build cars in the late 70's through late 80's.

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TBKEEFER

10-20-2000 11:40:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N Exhaust/Intake Manifold in reply to Nolan, 10-20-2000 11:08:03  
Thanks..

Will try that this evening!



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Nolan

10-20-2000 07:42:51




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 Re: 8N Exhaust/Intake Manifold in reply to TBKEEFER, 10-20-2000 05:47:42  
A 12 point socket typically will have a thicker wall then a 6 point socket. It is also far more likely to round off the pointed shoulders of the nut or bolt you use it on.

Sockets come in different thicknesses. As a rule of thumb;
1, cheaper sockets are thicker then more expensive sockets.
2, Larger drive sockets are thicker then smaller drive sockets.
3, impact sockets are thicker then hand use sockets.

11/16 is readily available in 3/8" drive. Getting a good 6 point one (or set) from Sears will almost assuredly be quite able to fit onto the nut. Be aware of the depth though, you may need to go with a deep well socket.

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Tom 8N396936

10-20-2000 06:18:52




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 Re: 8N Exhaust/Intake Manifold in reply to TBKEEFER, 10-20-2000 05:47:42  
those nuts are brass. I thought mine would never come off but with a few dats of PB Blaster treatment they moved. My N is stripped down so it was easy to get at them. Long and short is you really shouldn't be able to hurt the studs , the nuts "should" strip first. Check the archives for info re the size. Use only PB Blaster, its the greatest. Found out about it here.
good luck
tom



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TBKEEFER

10-23-2000 07:54:39




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 Re: Re: 8N Exhaust/Intake Manifold in reply to Tom 8N396936, 10-20-2000 06:18:52  
Well, after much less effort than planned. The exhuast manifold was off in 5 minutes..

I went to Sears earlier in the day and bought a 1/2 drive extension, paired this to my 6-point 11/16ths medium-well socket and they were off.

The medium-well socket long enough and thin enough too work.

I replaced with the proper 5/8ths nut, and now I don't have to wear ear plugs. Thanks for the advice.

Tom Vicksburg, MI

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