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Putting water in the rear tires for weight

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Linda LaVasser

09-27-2000 09:21:37




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How much water do you put in the rear tires for weight?




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Old Ag

09-28-2000 08:03:24




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 Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to Linda LaVasser, 09-27-2000 09:21:37  
I'm considering adding water for weight, but I'm a little worried about how to get the back wheels off for repair. Sounds like I would need an engine hoist or otherwise have to drain the tires to do a brake job. I'm wondering how difficult it is to drain and refill.

Old Ag
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Roland Jackson

09-28-2000 14:20:22




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 Re: Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to Old Ag, 09-28-2000 08:03:24  
When I overhauled my NAA last Feb, I used Dell's method and was able to remove both my tractor's tires, by myself, without problems. I always inflate the tire a bit, so most of the weight is riding on the middle surface. It is much easer to roll that way.

In my old "tire busting" days, I learned the best way to move a wet tire, was to pump out the fluid first. If you have a pump fixed up and a place to go with the liquid, it is very fast and easy. And you do not have the mess of trying to drain the liquid into a pan.

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Dell (WA)

09-28-2000 09:07:44




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 Re: Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to Old Ag, 09-28-2000 08:03:24  
Aggie..... To remove weighted tires on the N-Tractors, just barely jack-up the tire and remove lug nuts. Side to side wiggle your tire off. DON'T try to catch it if it starts to "fall over", get out of its way!!! Just roll tire out of the way and keep it propped up against something. Actually, if it does fall over, you can single handledly lift it back up with a long prybar but a helper makes it a lot eazier..... ...Dell

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Po Folks

09-27-2000 17:46:03




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 Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to Linda LaVasser, 09-27-2000 09:21:37  
Two Thirds Full.



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Gaspump

09-27-2000 18:06:54




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 Re: Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to Po Folks, 09-27-2000 17:46:03  
As far as quantity is concerned Zane and Roland are about correct as you can get. Owners manual figures are based on tires being 90% filled with solution.



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Po Folks

09-28-2000 18:34:47




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 Re: Re: Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to Gaspump, 09-27-2000 18:06:54  
My answer was for Linda and I couldn't understand why people were ramblin on when all she asked was how much water. Now I see a question under hers and understand. I also remember why I quit posting on this board. Flame on...



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ZANE

09-27-2000 14:14:21




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 Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to Linda LaVasser, 09-27-2000 09:21:37  
I use about one gallon of antifreeze in each tire. All you gotta do is jack up the wheel and let out all the air by removing the large part of the valve stem. Then let the tire down till it is about half flat. Attach a small hose to the valve stem by pushing it over the part sticking out of the rim. Put a small funnel in the other end and start pouring in the antifreeze. It it starts to bubble in the funnel and won't go in the tube just jack it back up all the way and this will cause it to pull the antifreeze in the tube.

There is a water filler adapter kit sold at most large tire handling places that is for filling tires on tractors. Get one!
Turn the wheel till the valve stem is at the top of the rim.
Attach the garden hose to the valve stem using one of the adapters in the kit that will fit the valve stem and turn on the water. When the tire begins to look like it is about inflated and you can still hear the water hitting the inside of the tire you should turn off the water at the spigot and let out the air again. You will have to do this about 3 times to let enough air out to allow the water to go in. When it sounds like the valve stem is under water and you can no longer hear it going in you can stop and take the adaper off the valve stem and replace the valve stem part. Be ready to take a bath while you are trying to get the valve stem back in. If you loose too much pressure you can inflate it with air but if you are good enough you can actually inflate it with the water pressure.

I know that this doesn't seem like enough antifreeze but it is enough to keep it from freezing at close to O deg.

I live in Alabama and it might be a good idea to use at least two gallons in each tire up North where it stays below freezing for days on end.

I too would never never never use calcium chloride or salt in a tire. They both will ruin the rim. The calcium in the tire does not significantly add to the weitht of the water either.

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Roland Jackson

09-27-2000 12:16:04




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 Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to Linda LaVasser, 09-27-2000 09:21:37  
Linda, I have used anti-freeze in the rear tires of my tractor for years. I use the kind of anti-freeze that is not harmful to animals. Remember, Dogs have this love/hate relationship with tires. It only takes a "taste" of anit-freeze to lock down their kidneys...which is a slow and painful death.

I use a plastic 50 gallon barrel from a car wash to mix the anit-freeze in. (they love to give them away) There is no need to mix the solution 50/50. That would be too expensive. I live in Amarillo, Texas. It never gets below -10 degrees, so I mix the solution for -10 degrees. If you live up north, you should mix it stronger.

To pump the solution into the tires, I use the oil pump from a 350 chevy engine. I cut a small 1/8" plate to size, seal it with silcone, and bolt it to the open end of the pump. I braze 1/2" NPT female swivel hydraulic connections to the suction and pressure ports of the pump. I use a 1/4" pipe, with a pin through the end to extend the drive shaft of the pump. I use my electric drill to power the pump.

To convey the fluid from the barrel to the tire, I use 1/2" hydraulic hose. To attach the 1/2" pressure hose to the tire valve stems, I use the hose end off a bicyle hand pump. You have to reduce from 1/2" NPT to 1/8" NPT to attach the fitting. I am sure there are other ways to devise homemade pumps. You just need a strong enough pump pressure to overcome the tire pressure as you pump the solution into the tire.

Before removing the air from the tire, you should jack up the wheels, and block them up for safety. Don't *EVER* use cinder blocks or bricks to block up heavy equipment. They will break with out warning. Only use large wood blocks or jack stands.

To remove the air from the tire, I use a device that can be obtained at any tire store or farm store, You attach it to the valve stem and use your air compressor to suck the air out of the tire. If the seal is too great on your tractor tire, your tire will start to cave in. It is best to break the seal by seperating the tire bead from the rim. That way, only air from the tube is removed.

To prime the pump, I attach a garden hose to the suction end to pressure water into the pump and pressure hose. I turn on the drill to make sure the pump is turning the right direction. Then, I remove the garden hose and place the suction hose into the barrel of solution. I attach the pressure hose to the tire's valve stem. At that point, I am ready to start the drill and fill the tire.

My NAA holds 25 gallon of fluid in each tire. Be sure not to fill the tire completely up. You want it to flex as you go over bumps. If you put the tire's valve stem at the 12:00 position, and fill the tire until fluid is just coming out the valve stem, that will be just right. You want each tire to have the identical weight, otherwise, the lighter tire will always lose traction under load and it will wear out quicker. Having the valve stem at the 12:00 positon is the perfect way to measure the fluid and to get the exact amount of weight in each tire. The water/anti-freeze solution weighs 7.3 pounds per gallon. So if each tire takes 25 gallons of fluid, your total weight will be 365 pounds.

You will be amazed at how the extra weight will make your tractor pull more. A side benefit is that your tractor's tires will last longer because they are not constantly spinning under a load. Hope this is helpful.

Roland Jackson

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well.....Dell (WA)

09-27-2000 10:27:15




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 Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to Linda LaVasser, 09-27-2000 09:21:37  
Linda..... .ya' don't fill 'em full, still need some air for springing, bouncing across the ruts (grin).

Usually, tires are filled about 1/2 to 2/3 full (about rim high on the tractor). This will be about 300# per tire additional weight, depending upon any "anti-freeze" that you must put in (unless you are in Fla) Its really not too critical except in certain exacting situations where you will get the light tire to spin before the other.

Some use "re-cycled" automobile anti-freeze, some use new anti-freeze. Automobile anti-freeze will not "rot" your rubber innertube nor if it leaks, will it "eat" your metal rims like the 1940's recommended calcium chloride. Myself, I would NOT EVER use calcium chloride. ..... ..Dell

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Brentd

09-27-2000 10:58:50




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 Re: Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to well.....Dell (WA), 09-27-2000 10:27:15  
Dell,
I have fluid filled tires, probably CaCl, haven't checked. How bad would NOT EVER use CaCl? Enough to go to the trouble and expense of having it pumped out, and replaced with new tubes and new antifreeze (IA ain't FL)?

Someday I will replace the tires, but that may be a couple years out and I need something to give me the traction that fluid gives me on snow and dirt. And I don't have chains.

Just curious how bad this really is. Brent

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Gaspump

09-27-2000 13:57:31




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 Re: Re: Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to Brentd, 09-27-2000 10:58:50  
Well Brent heres the way I see it. If you have good original rims and you wish to preserve them switch at your earliest convienience such as when you get your new tires. Original rims are becoming harder to come by and the price is beginning to show it. If the rims are not important to you, keep the CaCl and only time will tell. Its anyones guess!



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Roland Jackson

09-27-2000 12:40:41




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 Re: Re: Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to Brentd, 09-27-2000 10:58:50  
Bret, I am like Dell, in that I would never use CaC1 in my tractor tires. One of the reasons that CaC1 is used..other than it doesn't freeze..is that it is a very dense liquid, and weighs a lot more than water. The down side is that it will eat up (rust) your rims. I have owned tractors that have had CaC1 in the tires for many years....some since the early 50's and the rims were still in good condition. What causes the rims to rust is a small leak that develops and goes undetected for a long time. Since you already have CaC1 in your tractor's tires, in my opinon, you should not go to the expense of removing it. Just keep a close eye on your tires, and if you detect a leak, get the tire fixed. At that time you can exchange the fluid.

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Steve in OR

09-27-2000 22:04:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to Roland Jackson, 09-27-2000 12:40:41  
I ordered a little valve thingee to put water in my tires from Gemplar's (they have a link at this site) worked like a charm. About $15 dollars inc. shipping. A question... It doesn't freeze here in Portland much or for a long period of time(never below 10)... I did not put any antifreeze in them. What are the possibble consequences of having the water freeze in the tire? They are about 2/3 full.

Thanks
Steve

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Roland Jackson

09-28-2000 13:11:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to Steve in OR, 09-27-2000 22:04:48  
Water expands when frozen and rubberis flexable. The tire cords are not as flexable. If it gets too cold and your tire is old, it can break the cords next to the tire bead by just sitting there. On a new tire, the cords are not as likely to break, but you can pinch the tube by driving over something pointed and solid, like frozen ruts as there is solid ice on each side of the rubber. The bad part is you will find out the damage when the tire thaws.

Also, you can have the ride of your life if you put your tractor in road gear with frozen liquid in the tires. I speak from experience. I haul my tractor to Kansas a lot and it gets colder there than in Texas. That is why I make sure there is plenty of anti-freeze in my tires. For $10 extra dollars, I can rest easy knowing that I will not have to fix a wet tire.

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Dell (WA)

09-28-2000 09:23:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to Steve in OR, 09-27-2000 22:04:48  
Steve..... .Water when frozen into ice "expands", rubber streches but the nylon cord don't (much). It really doesn't take much "anti-freeze" to keep from freezing solid. In some parts of cold country they cut old tractor tires up for stock watering troughs because besides not rusting out, they don't seriously freeze up and leak when thawed. Just don't try driving with your frozen tires, seriously unbalanced (grin)..... ..Dell

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Nolan

09-28-2000 05:12:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: putting water in the rear tires for weight in reply to Steve in OR, 09-27-2000 22:04:48  
The ice can cut your tubes.



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