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ktz9N

08-31-2000 18:14:26




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I now am the proud owner of a 1940 vintage (9N31441). I do not have the operations manual yet, but I noticed the fluid was low on the hydraulic side, so I did the following; I re-freshed the gas in the tank, got it running, placed the PTO in gear and the 3PH rose up from the ground. With the PTO engaged, the lift works, but NOT when the PTO is not engaged.
In addition, I see that both brake pedals have a little ratchet arm to support "locking" the brakes while parked. I thought that was only on 8Ns?
I also need to flush all hydraulics, require rear seals and rebuild the brakes.There is a 12 volt alternator installed and it takes a 12 volt battery, but I do not know if it is installed correctly. I will try to document the wiring and check with all of you folks online. I know what the previous owner did to make the system operational, but....
I must take this time to thank all of you and YT organization for being available, I have learned a lot by just reading thru the requests and the archives. I hope to contribute one day.

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Gaspump

08-31-2000 19:53:22




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 Re: ktz9N (31441) is on-site in reply to ktz9N, 08-31-2000 18:14:26  
You already have some good advice. Yes 9N's did come with ratcheting brake pawls.



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Dave M

08-31-2000 18:35:26




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 Re: ktz9N (31441) is on-site in reply to ktz9N, 08-31-2000 18:14:26  
> With the PTO engaged, the lift works, but NOT when the PTO is not engaged.

Yes, ktz9N, the hydraulic pump is driven by the PTO shaft. That is why live hydraulics on the Golden Jubilee/NAA was considered an improvement.



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ktz9N

08-31-2000 19:05:51




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 Re: Re: ktz9N (31441) is on-site in reply to Dave M, 08-31-2000 18:35:26  
Thanks Dave. I was shocked, as the previous owner stated that he had manually lifted the 3PH, heard a click and it stopped working. What I have found thus far, is that the fluid in the hydraulics side is very low, so my next step is to flush all fluids, and put in fresh,then see if all works underload.



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Jim.UT

08-31-2000 19:15:32




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 Re: Re: Re: ktz9N (31441) is on-site in reply to ktz9N, 08-31-2000 19:05:51  
Keep in mind that the transmission, differential, and hydraulic system share the same fluid. The exact type of fluid depends on one's preference to a degree. You can check the archives and find various opinions on that topic.



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ktz9N (TX)

08-31-2000 20:18:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: ktz9N (31441) is on-site in reply to Jim.UT, 08-31-2000 19:15:32  
I have heard (via the forum) about two (2) types, a 80/90 weight and a NH 134 something. I shall search again and then make a decision. I think 80/90 is in it now.
Need to understand the characteristics based on the heat profile in north Texas.



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9n'er

09-01-2000 02:07:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ktz9N (31441) is on-site in reply to ktz9N (TX), 08-31-2000 20:18:39  
Do consider that when you replace the fluids, lift the tranny cover and peek inside and determine if water is there, and when you drain the fluids, stick your hands down in there and determine how much of old grease, dust, oil, and crud has settled out. may be a good time to buy some kerosene, diesel oil, or gasoline to flush out those areas, and remove all the crud manually by hand scraping, pullling, pushing to the drain holes, etc. Just be certain you disconnect the battery! ANY SPARK OR ACCIDENTAL SPARK COULD BE LIFE THREATENING. You may want to remove the rear PTO cover and drain fluid from that area too. Replace that gasket while you're at it. Also can access the rear housing through the right inspection plate, and use a wire to push crud through to the drain holes. No sense putting new fluids into 60 years worth of settled out crud. just some suggestions. FYI, I went through 11 gallons of gas and last flush was with kerosene to remove over 1.5 inches of the stuff. good luck! the fun has now started.

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Steve W...besafe!

09-01-2000 05:41:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ktz9N (31441) is on-site in reply to 9n'er, 09-01-2000 02:07:11  
Hey 9N'er, glad too have you back on a regular basis, but.....you of all people, Mr. fireman...Gasoline is a really bad idea to use as a cleaning solvent. It's a Carcinogen, and most of all, it's really flamable. I've seen in the paper all kinds of people over the years with gasoline burns.....and on a personal note (maybe too personal) I was once cleaning a carburater, while sitting at my workbench. When I popped off the fuel bowl, about a half a cup of gas dumped in my lap.....by the time I got to the shower, the first layer or two of skin was burn't off my privates....

Use a scraper to get the worst of the sludge out, then use Diesel fuel or kerosene (less flamable), use a respirator to avoid a headache, gloves, and get too it.

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Dale O'9N

09-01-2000 06:00:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ktz9N (31441) is on-site in reply to Steve W...besafe!, 09-01-2000 05:41:47  
Amen, to the no gas for cleaning. I suppose we could be very careful and use it OK, but it's so dangerous, and there are other cleaners that are safe. When I get a chance to get all of the details I'll post why NO GAS. A neighbor died 3 weeks ago after He and a friend from work were cleaning engine parts in his garage with gas. I'm told they used an air hose to clean it off and got some gas airborne. It flashed and caught the cleaning rags and everything on fire. It burned them both bad. The owner of the car died a week later. It's best to use something else. Dale in VA.

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9N'er...a good point, one worth heeding...and emphaszing...no GAS!

09-01-2000 06:09:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ktz9N (31441) is on-site in reply to Dale O'9N, 09-01-2000 06:00:25  
I agree with both posts wholeheartedly. I have to admit that I used gas when I did it...and it is poor judgement and no excuse. At the time, over diesel and kerosene it got to the heart of the sludge much faster...but you're right! I would rather live another day to tell how much safer kerosene or diesel fuel is. I used EXTREME caution when I did it... fully outdoors, away from a building, no electrical anything nearby, no battery on the tractor, etc. etc. When you post your message about gas, go easy on me...i know others who do the same too. thanks.

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Dale O'9N

09-01-2000 06:41:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ktz9N (31441) is on-site in reply to 9N'er...a good point, one worth heeding...and emphaszing...no GAS!, 09-01-2000 06:09:16  
I've done it to. ALWAYS outside just incase. Don't we all think it can't happen to us. The latest events here have convinced me to be more careful. It could have been me. My 4 girls need more than that from me. So I'll do my part and be safer. I know you will too. All the best. Dale in VA.



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Hendo (OR)

09-01-2000 07:08:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ktz9N (31441) is on-site in reply to Dale O'9N, 09-01-2000 06:41:06  
I always use kerosene for parts cleaning. I have an old pressure cooker bottom and a french fry basket I use for small parts
I had the top off the hydraulics of my 8N a couple of weeks ago, before we decided to drop the pump we were able to chase the sludge off the bottom and out the drain hole with the compressor & blow-gun.



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