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8N Starter Removal

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Ken (MO)

07-19-2000 10:23:22




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Judging from an earlier post I made, I think its time I replaced the bendix on the 8N. A co-worker was having similar trouble with his 8N and after relating the opinions of those on the Board, he decided to pull his starter last weekend (I haven't had time yet for mine). He undid the two long bolts holding the starter to the block, and tried to remove the starter. What came off was the starter housing, leaving the armature(?) and bendix still engaged to the block. He had to put the tractor in 4th gear and rock it to disengage the bendix and remove it all. Now he cannot get the armature back into the housing because of the four spring loaded brushes at the base of the housing that must be spread around the armature. This has me worried about trying to remove the starter on my 8N. Is this the way it comes off? I would have expected the entire starter to come off as a unit (like on a car engine). Does any of this make sense? Any advice greatly appreciated (by me and my co-worker)

Thanks, Ken

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The Hawk

07-19-2000 18:34:16




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 Re: 8N Starter Removal in reply to Ken (MO), 07-19-2000 10:23:22  
I just went through the starter removal. Dell was right. Put a 5/16 nut on one of the bolts to hold it together. All I had to remove to get the starter out was the dipstick. Also if you decide to replace it, shop around. First place wanted $238.28 , did not want exchange and did not include bendix. Second place $140.00 exchange still no bendix. Neighbor with 8N told me about a starter/alternater rebuild shop. Price for new bushings, brushes and new bendix and labor was $45.00 Good luck. BTW it goes back easier than getting it out.
The Hawk

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Darlene

08-22-2001 20:06:10




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 Re: Re: 8N Starter Removal in reply to The Hawk, 07-19-2000 18:34:16  
Where did you get it done for $45 at? We live in Northwest Missouri. I think that is what our tractor needs.



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Steve IA

07-19-2000 16:32:12




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 Re: 8N Starter Removal in reply to Ken (MO), 07-19-2000 10:23:22  
Several years ago I did the same thing your friend did. I will go back together. IIRC, it took 4 hands and some small picks and tiny screwdrivers and lots of patience to work the spring brushes back into place. Easier way is to take it out in one piece and keep it that way: After loosening the bolts, make sure the plate between the starter and the tractor comes with the starter. It is really the end plate, but may stick to tractor like it did to your friend. If it's stuck, drive a screwdriver behind it to loosen it. This will also work if starter is jammed on ring gear. After starter AND plate are clear of tractor, push bolts back threw and secure with nuts, then you can twist and turn and cuss and spit all you need to to get the starter out in one piece. HTH
Steve 8N 169302

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Bigpeter

07-19-2000 13:24:56




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 Re: 8N Starter Removal in reply to Ken (MO), 07-19-2000 10:23:22  
Dell is right. Use a 7/16" nut on one of the long bolts to hold the starter together and keep jiggling.

The real test is replacing the starter. Remember all those positions, you'll need the opposite when you re-install.

Although removing the drain cock and filter may be a lot of fun and give some sense of accomplishment, they don't help the starter removal procedure.



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Timk

07-19-2000 13:06:29




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 Re: 8N Starter Removal in reply to Ken (MO), 07-19-2000 10:23:22  
The starter should come out and be put back in in one piece. Like Dell says, you have to hold your tongue just right. When installing, the bendix has to be in the disengaged position, and if you are using the newer bendix, the housing hole in the casting has to be ground out a bit in the 1:00 to 2:00 o'clock position.



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rbell

07-19-2000 11:06:20




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 Re: 8N Starter Removal in reply to Ken (MO), 07-19-2000 10:23:22  
This was posted by dell in the earlier disscussion. NOTE his advise about putting nuts back on before removal

Posted by Dell (WA) on July 14, 2000 at 19:42:35 from (207.227.234.24):

In Reply to: 8N starter removal posted by The Hawk (TN) on July 14, 2000 at 19:05:29:

Hawk..... ..I always thought the secret to removeing a N-Starter was holding your tongue just so and a lot of "jiggleing" towards the 2:00 position. I confess I never thought of removing the oil filter or the block drain, but if you think that will help, why not? Do not let the starter come apart in pieces. Some slip a nut on the end of those long starter mounting bolts to prevent that from happening while jiggleing ..... ..Dell

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polecat

07-24-2000 12:06:28




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 Re: Re: 8N Starter Removal in reply to rbell, 07-19-2000 11:06:20  
Well, if you do take it off and it is in 2 pieces like I did for the 1st time last week, I took the brushes, and held them back in their guides and put a bread tie around them. Then I slid the armature back in. Then remove the bread ties. Just make sure you don't let it slide back out during installation.



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