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Lead additive, which one is best?

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Grainbelt

07-06-2000 13:05:44




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Is there a brand of lead additive that doesn't gel up over time and still does a good job of lubricating the valve seats? Bought some in quantity (5 gallons) and poured some into a plastic milk jug, after it sat for several months it got all jelly-like and had to throw it out.
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rbell

07-07-2000 14:57:10




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 Re: Lead additive, which one is best? in reply to Grainbelt, 07-06-2000 13:05:44  
Grainbelt!!! Theres a premimum beer I dearly love but can't get in south mo. I really don't think you need to worry about a lead additive on an "N" style engine. They are very low compression, and I believe some were even capable of running on caol oil (kerosene to modern folks) So try just plain old unleaded It works in my 9 just fine.



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Nolan

07-07-2000 03:37:40




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 Re: Lead additive, which one is best? in reply to Grainbelt, 07-06-2000 13:05:44  
Understand that you cannot buy lead additive. You have purchased lead *alternative* additives. None of them contain lead.

The additive jelled because the voc's were able to evaporate through the porous plastic of a milk jug. The additive was probably still perfectly good, and would have reliquified when mixed with gasoline. A simple test of this in a can would have sufficed.

The N series engines are designed to run on unleaded. They pre-date the addition of lead to gasoline. Other engines are different.

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TimK

07-07-2000 09:00:25




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 Re: Re: Lead additive, which one is best? in reply to Nolan, 07-07-2000 03:37:40  
I agree. Forget the additive. Not needed. In the several years I have been reading comments on this Board, I have Never seen a comment where someone has evidence that unleaded gas damaged their N. And I use unleaded in mine also, no additives, no problem.



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bg

07-07-2000 06:54:16




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 Re: Re: Lead additive, which one is best? in reply to Nolan, 07-07-2000 03:37:40  
You can buy real tetraethyl lead additive from a guy in Hemming's, but I agree, it's not necessary in a low-compression engine.



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Nolan

07-07-2000 07:43:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Lead additive, which one is best? in reply to bg, 07-07-2000 06:54:16  
He's playing a dishonest game. That or he's going to find himself in prison soon.

The EPA does allow a minute percentage of lead to exist in unleaded gasoline. It's 0.05 grams per gallon. At that level, all sorts of record keeping must happen, so most of the refineries don't bother with any lead, avoiding the paperwork.

Now, if Jack Podell were to be slimy, he could drag a chunk of lead through some gasoline additive (usually tolulene anyways). He could then claim that some of the lead came off, and is now in the additive. Viola! a true leaded additive (wink wink, nudge nudge). He's carefully not saying how little lead is actually there.

I don't believe the FTC has any laws or regulations governing the claim of lead in fuel additives, so he would be able to squeek by them with this bogus claim.

On the other hand, he could really be marketing a true lead additive. If so, when the EPA gets wind of it, they will prosecute the heck out of him for it. They would also prosecute the heck out of Hemmings for publishing the ads. Hemmings does have some legal liabilities for the types of ads they run.

Hemmings is not stupid. They've tangled with the EPA before, and don't want to be on the losing end of a dispute with them. So in my opinion, Hemmings allowing the ads to be published make it all the more obvious that Jack Podell is just a shyster marketing a rip off snake oil.

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Ariel

07-10-2000 05:59:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Lead additive, which one is best? in reply to Nolan, 07-07-2000 07:43:44  
What about leaded fuel used for airplanes? Even the "low lead" aviation gasoline has about 4 times the lead of the old premium autogas from the 60's. It is not illegal to use as far as I know. So couldn't someone sell the lead as an additive? Have to agree, doubt that the old tractors need the lead anyway.



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drawbar

07-06-2000 14:37:44




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 Re: Lead additive, which one is best? in reply to Grainbelt, 07-06-2000 13:05:44  
I'm sure we'll get various opinions on this...but here goes; I use two-stroke oil in gasoline for my old tractors and trucks. About 40:1 as the heaviest mix to maybe 100:1 . I've recently wanted to try using #2 diesel. regrds, DB



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Steve IA

07-06-2000 14:02:34




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 Re: Lead additive, which one is best? in reply to Grainbelt, 07-06-2000 13:05:44  
I know this doesn't answer your question, but since this is the N-board, I'll assume you plan to use the lead additive in an N. The consensus of the board is that additives are not needed for Ns. Check the archives under 'fuel additives' for more information. Steve 8N 169302



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