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2N Loader and pulling power

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Grainbelt

07-06-2000 11:29:06




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Couple questions:
What kind of lift capacity should I expect from a 2N with a front end loader?
Does 1st gear in the 2N give you enough power to say skid down trees out (given the trees are either smaller or cut up into lengths and the rear tires are in good shape)?
Someone told me the N's are designed more to use 3 pt implements and aren't much for pulling power.
Thanks much.
Grainbelt.

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jake

07-08-2000 12:08:01




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 Re: 2N Loader and pulling power in reply to Grainbelt, 07-06-2000 11:29:06  
You can purchase upgrades for the front end which include power steering, wider tires,and stronger hubs to make the front handle just about anyting you try. But after all thoughs upgrades a modern tractor would be cheaper.



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Jim WI

07-07-2000 10:58:26




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 Re: 2N Loader and pulling power in reply to Grainbelt, 07-06-2000 11:29:06  
The loader capacity issue is really dependent on the loader and pump. If it's a seperate front-mount pump like my dad's 2N has, the loader will lift the back wheels without trouble (includes fluid-filled tires). If the loader runs of the 3-point pump I don't know what you can expect.

As for skidding logs -- BE CAREFUL! N's (and many other tractors) can flip real easily if the front end of the log hits something. That said, we've had no trouble with pulling limbed trees with up to about a 2-ft butt. What does work better is to use a pulley up in a stout tree and a long cable. This allows you to keep the tractor in a clear area while you skid. If you're doing much at all, the investment is worth it.

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Nolan

07-07-2000 04:23:16




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 Re: 2N Loader and pulling power in reply to Grainbelt, 07-06-2000 11:29:06  
Loader capacity depends greatly on the loader itself. As in how many lift cylinders, and their piston diameter, and pump pressure. More of each of these variables gives more lift. Mine has enough power that even with a full ton strapped onto the back of the tractor as a counterweight it will flip the tractor nose down if it can't pick the bucket up.

Loaders on an N basically suck. It changes a nimble little tractor into a ham fisted brute. The front axle wears down like crazy to boot. If the loader is one of the older ones like my Wagner, you can't work on the tractor, can't refuel it, and have to do gymnastics to get on orr off.

If you're looking for a loader tractor, I wouldn't recommend an N. While it can physically do it, it isn't good at it.

Can it skid trees? It's a two bottom plow tractor, and those are two smallish plows. Yes, with wheel weights and such it can pull more, but a 70 hp 4wd unit is isn't.

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fessman

07-06-2000 19:31:09




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 Re: 2N Loader and pulling power in reply to Grainbelt, 07-06-2000 11:29:06  
Grainbelt,

What I did is put a hydraulic pressure gauge on the line to the loader. This gives me a good indication of what the percentage of load is. The pressure gauge was cheap. Approx $10.00 0-2000psi silicone filled.

As far as the capacity of the loader. It will lift: the bush hog (510lbs), full load of snow, jammed into a snow bank, and the weight drum for the back of the tractor (small oil drum filled with concrete). What it will not lift: a piece of pipe sticking out of the ground in the back yard (old farm land). A full load of crushed stone.

Note: the bucket is a full tread width....approx 60"

Overall the bucket is nice to have, but it is very limited. It is a "motorized wheelbarrow".

Fessman

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Grainbelt

07-06-2000 13:07:41




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 Re: 2N Loader and pulling power in reply to Grainbelt, 07-06-2000 11:29:06  
Brent, Thanks for the response. Any idea how much lift capacity you should be able to handle with a N front end loader?
Thanks again.
Grainbelt.



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Dennis B.

11-06-2001 22:13:26




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 Re: Re: 2N Loader and pulling power in reply to Grainbelt, 07-06-2000 13:07:41  
I have a Loader on my 9n Ford made by Wagner Iron Works, Model Fer3 Serial 1496. My question is can anyone tell me what it's worth,or someone who can. Thank you.



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BrentD

07-06-2000 14:07:30




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 Re: Re: 2N Loader and pulling power in reply to Grainbelt, 07-06-2000 13:07:41  
Not a clue. I don't have, nor want a loader on my 8n. The front end is not particularly strong there is no power stearing and it just seems too much for her. Besides I really don't need one :). Lots of folks do put loaders on of course. Don't know what the limit is but I think the front axels will pound themselves to pieces eventually, and your steering will not love you for it.

Brent



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BrentD

07-06-2000 11:53:52




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 Re: 2N Loader and pulling power in reply to Grainbelt, 07-06-2000 11:29:06  
Depends on your tree. I don't see them pulling a redwood. Even a 3' diameter cottonwood would be tough at best, but they sled out lots of elms, hackberry, box-elder etc for me. Not even a wheeze from the gal. Ns are pretty maneuverable also, so they work well in the timber. Up to say 16" in diameter, I doubt you will have much trouble on flat ground with good pulling conditions. Some trimming might be necessary from time to time. All trees are different, but generally, my 8n will snake them out of the timber just fine. Brent

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Reno D

07-07-2000 05:11:54




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 Re: Re: 2N Loader and pulling power in reply to BrentD, 07-06-2000 11:53:52  
I'm glad to see the N loader questions on here, cuz mine has me all mixed up. I bought my particular 2N specifically because it has the loader, a widened Dearborn. It really does get in the way, and now that axle wear has been mentioned, I have all the more reason to endeavor to take it off. I need to build a sturdy shelter under which I can rig a come-along to lift it off. BUT, anyway, here is the main trouble I'm having: several times, but not every time, when I have a load on the loader, it won't go DOWN. It'll continue to go up, but to get it down, I 've had to leave it for a few hours till enough hydraulic fluid leaks very slowly out at the point where the tube goes into the hydraulics housing. (The dipstick still reads full) Another time, I wanted to tip UP a small wooden shed, just enough to block it up. The 2N loader wouldn't budge it. I was surprised. I did drag a 8"dia. oak up and over a steep hill the other day, and was delighted, so there's life in the old 2N yet.

My hydraulic line setup is very homemade looking, with an inline knob to turn it on and off, and then another spigot knob further back to do the same. I clearly didn't ask enough questions when I bought the tractor. Do these knobs do what a ZaneThang does? I'll try to shoot a couple pictures of it sometime soon and post them.

Th

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