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6 volt headlight bulbs ( driving lights )

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Gary '40 9N

12-19-2002 07:02:46




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I have been looking and looking for these high output 6 volt sealed beams with no luck. I keep running down dead ends! Doesn't anybody still make these? The only ones I can find are the dimpled low wattage type. They illuminate but the driving lights put them to shame! When I first got this tractor, it had 1 good driving light. It would throw a spot even in twilight that you could see while the standard bulb in the other headlight looked like it wasn't even on! Someone must still make these bulbs. Does anybody have any ideas where I may find a couple? ( the one good one has burned out now )

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Brian-2N

12-19-2002 08:43:06




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 Re: 6 volt headlight bulbs ( driving lights ) in reply to Gary '40 9N, 12-19-2002 07:02:46  
Gary,
GE's website list 49 entries under sealed beam lamps usable on tractors. Tell me 2 things. How wide is the lamp across the face, and how deep is the lamp. Also how is the lamp connected (screw terminals)? Only so many will be for 6 volts. I'll then have to see if I have an old catalog, as the current catalog and the website do not list amps or watts. Having lamps with too high a wattage will burn out your switch. Give me some details and I'll give a list of part numbers to try.
BTW-I work at an electrical wholesaler.

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Gary '40 9N

12-19-2002 09:06:50




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 Re: Re: 6 volt headlight bulbs ( driving lights ) in reply to Brian-2N, 12-19-2002 08:43:06  
the bulb is about 5.5" across the face and about 3.5" deep. It has screw terminals. Thanx for checking



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Brian-2N

12-19-2002 10:55:04




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 Re: Re: Re: 6 volt headlight bulbs ( driving lights ) in reply to Gary '40 9N, 12-19-2002 09:06:50  
Okay, here goes. Lamps are measured in 1/8". So your lamp face was probably 5.75, not 5.5. That will make it a PAR46 lamp (instead of a PAR36=4.5"). The MOL (mean overall length) would be 3.75, which is close to the 3.5 you measured. This gives us only 2 possibilities. A 4013 (GE product code 24327) is a 6.4 volt lamp with 25 watts or 800 candle power. There is no beam spread on lamps of this nature, but the light output will be 80% horizontal and 20% vertical. The alternative is a 4019 (GE product code 24369) which is 6.2 volt, 30 watt 1200 candlepower. The beam output is a trapezoid shape.
GE tells me that the lamps are not really interchangeable, as the ANSI (American National Standards Institute) spec calls out a certain number in an application. GE's part number is the same as the ANSI spec number. I do not know the original ANSI spec for headlamps, or what your "special" lamp was.
Remember bigger isn't necessarily better-you could burn out the switch. Perhaps someone out there who has restored his tractor with the originals can open up his lights and look at the number.
Hope al this technical jargon was of some use. If you want to try one of these, look for an electrical distributor. The lamps are factory stock at GE.

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Dell (WA)

12-19-2002 12:48:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 6 volt headlight bulbs ( driving lights ) in reply to Brian-2N, 12-19-2002 10:55:04  
Gary..... ...what Brian said..... ..and.....
If thats your tractor picture, with the under the oval "swoop" inplies to me that is a 2N tractor. 2N's only had an 11 amp 3rd brush generator with a roundcan cut-out relay on the steering column. 11 amps is only 66 watts. Your frontmount ignition system takes about 20 watts (3 amps) to run. That means that your generator capacity left to run your headlights is only about 46 watts. If one headlight is 30 watts, that means 2 headlights require 60 watts, and yer about 15 watts innna hole. Meaning discharged 6 volt battery.

Later 8N's had 20 amp 6 volt generators with squarecan voltage regulators mounted on the backside of dashpanel. Ford did offer a 20 amp upgrade to 9N & 2N's based upon the frontmount 8N bigger generator setup.

As to the difference between the glass prisms, your left bulb is a flood light usually used on the rear implement light. Your right light with its trapazoidal beam is a typical 1 beam tractor headlight.

Heres what I'd do. I'd get 2 new 6 volt tractor headlamps so they looked the same. Then I'd bring back a ground wire from the headlight terminal thru the mounting bracket and ground the headlights to some engine bracket bolt. This will improve your light output tremendiously.

My personal opinion of GE Lighting Engineers SAE headlight specs suck. GE is the leading member of the SAE lighting specifiers. They won't approve European H-4 headlights for US because they were invented in France with a sharp cut-off low beam that doesn't blind on-coming drivers. GE's problem is the H-4 lamps don't throw light high enought so you can read street signs. Go figger?

But GE amazing approved the GM designed rectangular 4 bulb headlight design because GM claimed it lowered the hoodline so the drivers could see closer infront of the car for safety sake. Then GM lengthened the hood to meet US Govt 5 mph bumper safety specs. Go figger again?..... ....the myopic Dell

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Gary '40 9N

12-19-2002 15:18:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 6 volt headlight bulbs ( driving lights ) in reply to Dell (WA), 12-19-2002 12:48:31  
Dell, that is my 1940 9N, Nellie. Both headlights are sealed beams and, with all the coats of paint and from what I have found in the way of info, both are original. The bulbs are stamped "DRIVING" on the face in raised letters. I think the part number is 4010. The part number was listed in the NAPA parts book but is discontinued he told me. I don't think it is high wattage just focused instead of diffused like the new bulb I have in the right headlight. My generator is up to it because, without the lights on, it wants to cook my battery. I need to run lights to keep my ampmeter below +10 even with the adjustment screw turned all the way down. One of the replies stated that I have a headlight bulb that is 50 years old! I can believe it with all the trouble I am having finding it. The tractor came with 2 and now both are burned out!

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phil fenner

12-19-2002 20:37:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 6 volt headlight bulbs ( driving lights ) in reply to Gary '40 9N, 12-19-2002 15:18:38  
If you have a 1940 tractor you do not have orignal "sealed beams" as these were not around until 1943+, but you may have original housings but not sure the sealed beams would fit those, maybe someone can say.

Phil(WA)



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uh . . . Dell (WA)

12-19-2002 18:39:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 6 volt headlight bulbs ( driving lights ) in reply to Gary '40 9N, 12-19-2002 15:18:38  
Gary..... ....most 9N owners would be thrilled if they could get 10 amps outta their 3rd brush 6 volt generator. You might want to seriously consider checking the gutts of your generator, 'cuz I'd suppect ya gotts sumpthin' not quite rite..... ..... Dell



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Soundguy

12-19-2002 07:52:04




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 Re: 6 volt headlight bulbs ( driving lights ) in reply to Gary '40 9N, 12-19-2002 07:02:46  
I got sealed beam 6v lights from tractor supply co.. they were 35 watts I believe. They throw a good long beam, instead of wide.
They do sell a lower wattage, but you obviously wouldn't want that one.
They are fine on my 8N.

Soundguy



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Gary '40 9N

12-19-2002 07:24:35




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 Re: 6 volt headlight bulbs ( driving lights ) in reply to Gary '40 9N, 12-19-2002 07:02:46  
third party image

Here is a comparison. On the right is the driving light. On the left is the cheapo, low wattage version that NAPA has. The driving light has a focused spot and is MUCH brighter.



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Rowbear

12-19-2002 07:13:01




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 Re: 6 volt headlight bulbs ( driving lights ) in reply to Gary '40 9N, 12-19-2002 07:02:46  
Try W.W. Grainger. They list beaucoups de headlamps in their catalogue.



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Bishop

12-19-2002 07:10:27




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 Re: 6 volt headlight bulbs ( driving lights ) in reply to Gary '40 9N, 12-19-2002 07:02:46  
I got mine at NAPA



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Gary '40 9N

12-19-2002 07:13:48




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 Re: Re: 6 volt headlight bulbs ( driving lights ) in reply to Bishop, 12-19-2002 07:10:27  
NAPA is one of the dead ends I tried....the guy said that the part number is in the catalog but they told him it will be discontinued in next years catalog when he called to inqire.



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bg

12-19-2002 07:41:51




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 Re: Re: Re: 6 volt headlight bulbs ( driving lights ) in reply to Gary '40 9N, 12-19-2002 07:13:48  
what's the part #?



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Gary '40 9N

12-19-2002 07:48:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 6 volt headlight bulbs ( driving lights ) in reply to bg, 12-19-2002 07:41:51  
the part number is faded on the back of the bulb. It is a GE bulb with the word "MAZDA" at the top of the emblem. The number that I can read is _010 6V. The first number is rubbed off. In raised letters on the face it says "DRIVING".



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