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801select-o-speed 1962 gas mod 871-Won't Start

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gary schulz

12-07-2002 07:41:58




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I know that the battery is good.
I know the connections on both sides of 12 volt
battery is good.
It has brand new battery cables.
I know the selinoid is good as i have changed
it.
It used start if it sat for a few hours which
sounds like an electrical problem.
I took off the starter from the tractor and ran
battery cables direcly to the starter and it
turns over with great torque.
when you go to start the tactor all you hear is one click and that is it.

I know the battery is good and that the voltage
regulator is good I also know that the safety nuetral switch is
good.
I put a voltohm meter from the negative side,which
is set up as a negative ground,and the feed side
of the selinoid to the starter and I get no voltage.
I get no voltage as I engage the ignition switch
and as usual all I hear is that annoying one click.
Does anybody have any ideas as I have no hair
left as I was already bald.

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ZANE

12-08-2002 09:07:37




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 Re: 801select-o-speed 1962 gas mod 871-Won't Start in reply to gary schulz, 12-07-2002 07:41:58  
You either have a dead battery or a bad connection from the battery. This could be at the battery terminals or at the ground connection or at the solenoid connection.

I would clean everything at every connection till the metal is bright and shiny and try it again. If it still won't start I would take the battery to someone who can put a load tester on it to determine it's condition. Just because a battery will make sparks doesn't mean it will start the tractor.

If you want to jump it off use this process. I wrote it for the N but it will work the same for the later 6 volt systems.

When jump starting an N tractor with 12 volts it not necessary to hook the 12 volts to the 6 volts battery at all. As a matter of fact I strongly reccomend against it.
Instead hook the 12 volts directly to the frame of the tractor for the ground and with the transmission in neutral and out of the way of the wheels of the tractor so you don't get run over touch the other cable from the 12 volt source to the post on the starter.
By doing it this way you don't even have to worry about the polarity of the batterys or which cable you have to ground or positive to the frame or the starter as the 6 volt systme is not involved at all with the 12 volts. Just turn on the switch and touch the hot cable to the starter post and it will go.

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Gary (Baldy)

12-07-2002 12:40:49




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 Re: 801select-o-speed 1962 gas mod 871-Won't Start in reply to gary schulz, 12-07-2002 07:41:58  
Rick and Dell, I did both of your checks with the battery cables and determined I'm not getting the solenoid switch to properly closoe and supply proper voltage to the starter motor.
I have the 4 terminal tractor stater solenoid. I switched the 2 small terminals and it changed nada.When engaging the ingnition switch it read a little less than 2 volts across those 2 small terminals. What the proper voltage is--I don't know. All I know is that I need to check the wiring from the ignition switch to the solenoid and the ignition switch itself. I believe the mud-dobbers might've corroded the wire terminals.Time to go to work--will get back with y'all tom.THanks for the information.

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Phil (NJ-AZ-SK)

12-07-2002 14:51:22




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 Re: Re: 801select-o-speed 1962 gas mod 871-Won't Start in reply to Gary (Baldy), 12-07-2002 12:40:49  
Gary, >>>>When engaging the ingnition switch it read a little less than 2 volts across those 2 small terminals. What the proper voltage is--I don't know.>>>

The proper voltage would be ~12 volts.... You are on the right track

JMHO



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Dell (WA)

12-07-2002 09:16:27




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 Re: 801select-o-speed 1962 gas mod 871-Won't Start in reply to gary schulz, 12-07-2002 07:41:58  
Gary..... ....don't know much about 801's .....but..... "I know the selinoid is good as i have changed it" scares me. Its not unusual to incorrectly re-install the starter solenoid. If it is the common 3-terminal tractor starter solenoid, physically turn it around and re-install it. If it is the common 4-terminal automotive starter solenoid, try swaping the 2-small terminals..... ...Dell, who reminds..... I flunked mindreading

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Great reply Dell...The ButtonMan

12-07-2002 11:21:00




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 Re: Re: 801select-o-speed 1962 gas mod 871-Won't Start in reply to Dell (WA), 12-07-2002 09:16:27  
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I really am respecting your change in attitude. Appreciate the way you help others.

Respectdellfully
The ButtonMan



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Rick H. Ga.

12-07-2002 08:51:49




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 Re: 801select-o-speed 1962 gas mod 871-Won't Start in reply to gary schulz, 12-07-2002 07:41:58  
Hi Gary,

There are certainly more tractor tech�s on this board that are more experienced than myself, but I will attempt to help you.

One of your statements was a red flag to me. You said, �I put a volt ohm meter from the negative side, which is set up as a negative ground, and the feed side of the solenoid to the starter and I get no voltage�. To me, this would indicate that you are somehow not getting voltage to the line side (battery side) of your solenoid.

You can take one conductor of a jumper-cable and jump from the line side (battery) of the solenoid to the load side (starter) (make sure tractor is in neutral). If nothing happens, you are not getting voltage to the starter through the solenoid. The solenoid is simply a switch that, when energized through the starter switch, closes a circuit to the starter motor. If the starter motor turns over good when jumped, then you need to double check everything to make sure you are getting full voltage at the solenoid and the solenoid is indeed good.

Another test you can try is to take the jumper-cables and connect one end of the black cables to the �ground� post on the battery, the other end of the black to the starter casing/housing/bolt ends. Then take the red cable and connect one end to the �hot� side of the battery post and use the other end to energize the starter at the load side of the solenoid or the hot post on the starter. (Make sure tractor is in neutral) If the starter motor cranks the engine, you have a problem from the battery to the solenoid. HTH. Rick H. Ga.

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