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Just restored, looks great, but won't start!

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Scott1ky

11-26-2002 20:09:18




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Hi all,
I need help with my 1952 8N. After a few months of TLC, the tractor has been sandblasted, rewired and repainted. I bought a wiring harness from Don B, and used a couple of the wiring diagrams from folks posted on this board. I also checked with the diagram in the manual. The starter turns when I push the starter button, but a check of the spark plugs reveals no sparks! Here is the dillemna: When I turn the ignition switch "on" the ammeter should always show a dischare. Sometimes it does - sometimes it doesn't. If you shake the distributor wires the ammeter will jump showing a discharge. I have not yet replaced the distributor cap, I planned to replace it after I got the tractor running again. Maybe I need to go ahead and replace it but it was working fine before the restoration.

Second part of the problem is, I was not sure which terminal on the generator was the field and which one was ground. I followed the diagrams which show the outside terminal as being the ground. However, looking at my generator, it appears to have a symbol by one terminal which looks like an "F" if you use your imagination. This is the outside terminal, and is backwards from what the wiring diagrams depict. If the generator is not wired corrected to the voltage regulator, would this cause a problem starting? My guess is that it would not - but the tractor would not charge the battery.

Sorry this question is so long and loaded, but I'm new to restoring tractors, and any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Scott

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couple of suggestions====bj/8n/mt

11-27-2002 06:50:23




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 Re: Just restored, looks great, but won't start! in reply to Scott1ky, 11-26-2002 20:09:18  
Don's post is right about the ammeter reading either neutral or discharge depending on the random fact of whether the points are open or closed. You can't tell much from that.

Without knowing front/side mount distributor or six/twelve volt all I have to offer are generalities.

If you have no spark at plugs the next place I would check is voltage either the top of the front mount coil or the battery terminal of the side mount coil. Since you don't say if the syatem is six or twelve volt can't tell you what it ought to be but should be significant and should vary with cranking.

If it isn't close to battery voltage at some time then check back towards the ignition switch for broken loose wiring. If it doesn't vary check in the distributor for slipped/ burned points.

Dell covered your generator issues but you have two things going on here. Since you just did a wiring harnass I would suspect loose wiring but starting at the coil will spilt the system in half and point you in the direction you need to go.

Your mileage may vary

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Scott1ky

11-27-2002 06:58:23




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 Re: Re: Just restored, looks great, but won't start! in reply to couple of suggestions====bj/8n/mt, 11-27-2002 06:50:23  
Sorry I didn't mention it, but it is the original 6 volt system. Thanks.



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front mount or side mount==bj/8n/mt

11-27-2002 07:12:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Just restored, looks great, but won't start! in reply to Scott1ky, 11-27-2002 06:58:23  
If'n it is a front mount distributor and the voltage doesn't vary pull it and check it on the bench--two wrench one beer finagle and you can't get it back out of time unless you force it== check for sand and check the point gap. If side mount check it mounted since you can get those out of time. Water frequently invades past the coil gasket on front mounts and I would bet sand would too.

YOur mileage may vary

Side mount you are probably better

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Dell (WA)

11-27-2002 02:26:45




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 Re: Just restored, looks great, but won't start! in reply to Scott1ky, 11-26-2002 20:09:18  
Scott..... ...look closely at your two generator roundside terminals. The FLD is gonna have a couple more washers (insulators) than the ground connection. Naturally, the big ARM stud on the round end disc should also have insulating washers too.

Don't forget to "polarize" your generator/regulator. Briefly touch the ARM and BATT terminals at the voltage regulator with tractor OFF..... ....Dell

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Scott1ky

11-27-2002 06:59:13




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 Re: Re: Just restored, looks great, but won't start! in reply to Dell (WA), 11-27-2002 02:26:45  
I will check for those insulators. Thanks for the input.



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Fast Ed Ohio

11-26-2002 22:44:24




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 Re: Just restored, looks great, but won't start! in reply to Scott1ky, 11-26-2002 20:09:18  
Scott, when you sandblast, that stuff gets in places you wont believe, check points, dist ect. Dont know about new wires but I think it should still start but not charge if wires to reg. and gen. are wrong. ( Iv been wrong before ) good luck .



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Scott1ky

11-27-2002 07:02:21




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 Re: Re: Just restored, looks great, but won't start! in reply to Fast Ed Ohio, 11-26-2002 22:44:24  
That's what I was wondering about too, I'm still finding sand in some places on the tractor. It seems to find a way into things. Thanks.



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Don, Luling LA

11-26-2002 20:41:02




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 Re: Just restored, looks great, but won't start! in reply to Scott1ky, 11-26-2002 20:09:18  
Concerning the ignition switch being on and sometimes showing a discharge and sometimes not. It is possible for that to happen if you have turned over the tractor with the starter. Because the points could either be closed which would cause a discharge or open which wouldn't cause a current flow and therefore no discharge. But, you say that when you wiggle the wires around and it causes the ammeter to jump around it sounds like you have a loose connection to from your ignition swithc to your coil or posibly a short somewhere in the area of your coil to points connection, not real sure what wires your shaking and what is shook when your shaking.
I am not familar enough with the generator wiring to comment about your comment there.

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