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3 Pt. lift help

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Mike

04-27-2000 11:20:19




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On my early '48 8N the lift works ok but stutters coming up with real weight (60 inch mower). It does lift it but not smoothly. Works fine with a scraper box and lighter stuff. If I use a Zane adusting jig might this be corrected, or do I have more than an adjustment problem. Any ideas will help.




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ZANE

04-27-2000 19:30:48




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 Re: 3 Pt. lift help in reply to Mike, 04-27-2000 11:20:19  
You might need the jig to properly adjust the lift if you have to go into it for repairs but it won't really help you with what I think may be wrong with the lift. It sounds like you may have one or more of the 4 pumps that are not working effeciently. These pump pistons and the cylinders that they do their pushing and pumping in are not repairable to my knowledge. To fix it you will need to replace the pistions and the two cylinder heads on either side of the hydralic pump.
I would first try to eliminate all the other things that can contribute to a pooly operating lift.

BEFORE DOING ANYTHING TO THE LIFT IT SHOULD FIRST BE INSPECTED FOR ANY INTERNAL LEAKAGE. GOOD ADJUSTMENT CAN BE DONE WITH A LEAK IN THE SYSTEM BUT FOR GOOD OPERATION AND IN ORDER TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF GOING INTO THE LIFT IT SHOULD BE DONE FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE IS DONE.

I will send you some of my previous post files about the lift. I think that you are probably having a combination of problems which is common to the 8N lift. One of the worst offenders is the cam follower pin which is what the position control receives it's input from. The other thing is to look for a leak in the sysyem @ the ram cylinder rings etc and the pressure relief valve. Also there could be a gasket leaking somewhere such as under the ram cylinder where it mates to the lift cover housing.
If you dicide to take the lift off to work on it be sure not to remove any bolt except for the ones around the outsides of the cover. If you should remove a bolt that has fine threads it will be from the inside pattern and you should put it back in the same hole it came from. You can remove them after the cover is on the work bench if it becomes necessary.

You should first take off the right hand inspection plate under the seat on the side of the lift housing.With an implement on the lift start the engine and with the lift in the up position look inside and see if their is oil leaking from the end of the lift ram cylinder.If their is only a slight drip this is normal.If their is a fairly steady stream this may be the trouble.If the oil is coming from somewhere else try to pin point its orign. If you find no appreciable leaks on top in your view then you may have a pressure relief valve leaking. It is located just under the pto shaft on the vertical back of the pump.Sorta shaped like a spark plug and an 11/16" box end wrench fits it. You can check it for leakage by first finding it with the engine off and then with the pump running and with a load and hot put your finger over the end of the relief valve and if it is leaking enough to be a problem you will be able to feel the oil push your finger off the end of the valve slightly.You can check it by washing it up and then soaping it real good with some dishwashing detergent and water and apply air to the end that goes into the pump. If it is leaking you should replace it with a new one. The part # used to be 8N638. Hope this will give you some starting places. Zane in Al.

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Mike

04-28-2000 08:29:45




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 Re: Re: 3 Pt. lift help in reply to ZANE, 04-27-2000 19:30:48  
Zane,
Thanks for the help. We exchanged some email about your jig and I do need to adjust the springs in the lift to repair a draft control problem. The lower links drop about 6 1/2 inches when I switch to draft control. Any other posts would be appreciated. Also, it may be a good experience to go through the process of adjusting and repairing any leaks or valves anyway.



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Stacy

04-27-2000 11:34:03




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 Re: 3 Pt. lift help in reply to Mike, 04-27-2000 11:20:19  
I have a 1952 8N and had about the same problem. If you take the seat off then what the seat bolts to take it off too and there is a hydralic lift in there and it has a seal on it and I had to replace the seal. Mine would pick up decent but would not hold anything up when you hit the clutch.



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