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Jim (Ottawa)

01-08-2002 14:40:39




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The other day I set out to plow some snow with my '48 N and back blade. Since the snow was heavy and I hadn't plowed for a while I figured this was a good chance to try out the constant draft control, thinking that as the snow load got heavier the blade would automatically compensate by changing the depth of cut. I had never used the draft control before and was disappointed to see the blade drop all the way down when I switched from position control to draft control and then it wouldn't raise in response to moving the quadrant lever. I would say I have a problem but have no idea what or how serious it might be. Anybody care to take a guess?

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Jim (Ottawa)

01-09-2002 07:31:49




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 Re: Constant Draft Control in reply to Jim (Ottawa), 01-08-2002 14:40:39  
Thank you to everyone and especially Larry and Zane for your comments on draft control. The explanations were very clear and helpful. This Board and its participants are better than having an encyclopedia (and that's spelled right). Now I have a much clearer idea of how to determine whether I have a problem (with my tractor, that is) and if I do, what to do about it. Many thanks as I eagerly await the next snowfall in the supposed-to-be-frozen north.

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ZANE

01-09-2002 05:38:04




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 Re: Constant Draft Control in reply to Jim (Ottawa), 01-08-2002 14:40:39  
This is a common problem with the draft control mechanism on the 8N. It is a wonderful invention and can't be beat when using a ground engaging implement if it is working right. The problem arises when the linkage is bent of worn past tolerances and the touch control ceases to operate the lift when in draft mode. This is condition is usually caused by the action of the top link being jammed in with a big shock load like when an immovable object is hit with the part of the implement that touches the ground such as the plow point or the blade. This shock load bends the linkage inside the lift. Sometimes it bends the rod that is connected directly to the draft sensing rod that is in the inside of the lift. Sometimes it bends the control rod that delivers the movement of the draft sensing rod to the control valve.

Either way, which ever part us bent or worn too badly it has to be taken apart and straightened and re-adjusted before it will work again.

It is possible to move the qauadrant mount on it's elongated bolt hole mounting base enough to recover the use of the draft mode without going into the lift if this still has any adjustment in left but it will affect the place where the position control operates adversely sometimes too.

The best thing to do is to order my 8N adjusting jig and the booklet that goes along with it from me and fix it yourself.

Almost impossible to get it right without some sort of jig to give you a point to shoot for when adjusting the lift linkage.

See the link below for more information.

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CD, TX

01-09-2002 05:47:05




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 Re: Re: Constant Draft Control in reply to ZANE, 01-09-2002 05:38:04  
I was told that you could adjust the quadrant too much that it would damage the pump by over-pressuring. Is this true?



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ZANE

01-09-2002 18:07:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Constant Draft Control in reply to CD, TX, 01-09-2002 05:47:05  
This is not true. You can't put too much pressure on the pump by adjusting it wrong because their is a built in device that moves the control valve to the neutral position when the piston moves out of the ram cylinder and comes in contact with a long pin that is connected to the control valve rod. This moves the control valve out of the bushing into the neutral position and relieves the pressure from the pump.
If the lift arms are tied down which is how some old poorly designed front loaders are used this can overload the pump and usually results in the safety pressure relief valve being rapidly ruined. Sometimes the pump itself is broken using this method with the front loaders.

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Larry 8N75381

01-08-2002 16:58:19




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 Re: Constant Draft Control in reply to Jim (Ottawa), 01-08-2002 14:40:39  
Jim,

If the blade does not lift with the touch control lever ALL the way up, then you have an adjustment problem. Otherwise, it is just a problem of not knowing what to expect when you shift to draft control. Read on.

Position control and draft control are meant to do two entirely different functions. Thus they have two entirely different ways in which they act in response to the touch control lever. Position control, obviously, is meant to hold an implement at a fixed height above the ground anywhere within the lift range from full up to full down. And the height is proportional to the position of the touch control lever - lever full up, implement full up; lever one third down, implement one third down; and so forth.

Where as draft control is meant to hold the amount of draft (pulling load) or drag. The draft is a function of the depth of a plow, as well as soil type. The same proportionality as in position control - full down, maximum pulling load; half up, half the pulling load as full, and so forth. BUT you can not easily move from one field to another with an implement in the ground. SO the last little bit of the touch control range at the top is used to tell the hydraulics to lift the implement to transport position. Since there is no need for a plow to go up only part way, say six inches off the ground, the lift is raised fully for transport position.

To tell where the transition point between transport and draft is on the touch control lever, carefully move the control lever, from full up, down very slowly, until you reach the point where the implement starts to slowly drop. This is the lightest, or shallowest, draft setting you can achieve. Raising the touch control lever any higher will activate transport mode. When you drive forward the hydraulic system will continually adjust itself to maintain the draft setting you have made. Then as you move the control lever father down you are setting a higher draft. Thus the draft will be harder or the plow depth deeper. You can set the drag so high that the N will either stall or slip the wheels. Or at least that is true with my unweighted rear wheels.

This is the genius of Fregusen's design. If you hit hard soil you do NOT have to readjust the implement height to keep from stalling or spinning the wheels. Until Ferguson's hydraulic control design came along, maintaining a constant depth, consistent with the pulling ability of the tractor was a constant fight for the farmer. In uneven ground, varying soil conditions, meant the farmer had to readjust the plow as he went along, NOT an easy task, especially when many plows of the time were manually adjusted.

I almost always use draft control when I am grading. I find I can control the amount I am "digging in" much easier that way. You can also pickup a "set" amount of material and pull it as far as you need to. In the case of snow, since it is relatively light compared to other "loads" that the blade might work, you probably need to use the very lightest draft setting you can get by with.

Also remember, if you are not moving then there is no pressure on the top link and thus on the internal control mechanism, so the lift will fall all the way down. Then when you start to move the internal control mechanism will sense the load and adjust. But the first few feet you may not have happening what you want. :-) I generally try to have the blade up when stopped and then lower it as I am moving. I have better control that way. You will just have to practice to get good.

HTH Regards,
Larry

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CD, TX

01-09-2002 05:40:26




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 Re: Re: Constant Draft Control in reply to Larry 8N75381, 01-08-2002 16:58:19  
In the draft mode my lift doesn't lift when the position control lever is all the way up. How do you adjust this.



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excellent explanation, all should read . . . Dell (WA)

01-08-2002 17:38:45




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 Re: Re: Constant Draft Control in reply to Larry 8N75381, 01-08-2002 16:58:19  
Larry..... best explanation I've ever read about 8N's draft control. Thankyou for the time it took to write it. Its going in my special tractor save file..... ..Dell



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Thanks, - but you started it.

01-08-2002 18:21:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Constant Draft Control in reply to excellent explanation, all should read . . . Dell (WA), 01-08-2002 17:38:45  
That is the result of something you wrote a LONG time ago on draft/position control. I have posted several variations of this of the years, trying to improve it a little when I have the time.

I'm a 'ngeneer - six monts ago i coldn't speel 'ngenner and now i ar one! :-)

DAMN near didn't get past Freshman English in college! In grade school I mostly flunked spelling. And up to the LAST English class I took, I couldn't get more than a C - not even a C+! So I have a lot of trouble writing. Been known to write a WHOLE paragraph as ONE sentance! - That's the way I talk/think - but the voice inflections that make talking understandable are totally missing in the written word. :-(

Thanks, again Dell.
Larry 8N75381

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Stuart K

01-08-2002 18:34:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Constant Draft Control in reply to Thanks, - but you started it., 01-08-2002 18:21:44  
As a novice at plowing in general I was lucky to have a decent amount of snow on New Years to play around with. The other good thing was it has been fairly cold so my gravel drive was frozen which allowed me to experiment with the draught setting a bit without "sculpting" my drive! I discovered once I found the spot that worked I just noted on the quadrant were it was and simply reset it there when I went to do another run.When I was done I changed to position control and turned the blade and pushed the banks onto the lawn pulling up at the last minute to fan out the piles and leave the grass there for spring! The excellent advice here has really helped( Yours is another great explanation) I'm mechanically inclined for sure but to understand for what purposes these devices were designed for is a great help for someone who didn't grow up on the farm. Thanks again. StuK

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isn't spell check wonderful? . . . nt

01-08-2002 18:32:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Constant Draft Control in reply to Thanks, - but you started it., 01-08-2002 18:21:44  
Dell, who can't spill much good neather



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Yep! except....

01-09-2002 04:38:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Constant Draft Control in reply to isn't spell check wonderful? . . . nt, 01-08-2002 18:32:31  
some of MY spellings are SO BAD that the spell checker can't even guess what I'm trying to spell so it can give me the right one! :-) or should it be :-(

AND then there are those TYPOS! I have lots of htose due to parity errors in the transmission lines between the CPU ant the I/O device which seems to be all thumbs! :-)

Larry 8N75381



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Dave Todd

01-08-2002 15:25:41




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 Re: Constant Draft Control in reply to Jim (Ottawa), 01-08-2002 14:40:39  
Jim, Sounds like your in need of an adjustment of your hydraulics. Shouldn't be anything serious, but see if you can find something in the archives from Zane about adjusting them. He is the Wizard when it comes to that. Good luck!!!
Dave



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