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Repairing a Leaking Zenith Fuel Valve

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Mark B (PA)

01-04-2002 19:53:16




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Anyone who has a 600-800 -900 series Ford has probably had problems with the fuel valve on the fuel tank. I know I've had mine off many times trying to correct the repeated leaks that develop.I'm now celebrating a year with no leaks. This is how I finally beat that damned contraption:

1.-Drill out the rivet being pointed at in the pic. It holds the valve in the housing. With the rivet removed the valve will screw out of the body.

2. - Replace the O-ring on the valve. If your valve is leaking, the O-ring will be worn down flat/flush with the valve.

3-Clean the rust out of your fuel tank and seal the tank if needed to prevent future rust. Even though there is a screen on the fuel valve, a very fine dirt/rust grit will pass through it and deposit an abrasive film in the valve, which causes fast wear to the O-ring.

4.-Use a small buff on a dremel tool and some buffing combound to smooth the inside of the housing where the O-Ring rides. The machining on this part is coarse and causes wear to the O-ring unless smoothed up.

5. Cut down a machine screw to replace the rivet, reassemble the valve and JB Weld the screw in place. The screw won't leak and is not all that hard to remove for a future rebuild.

Since redoing the valve and sealing the tank, my valve works very smooth and no more leaks. Used up a lot of good cuss words on that valve before I got it to behave.

I was cleaning out my jpeg folder and came across this picture, I know alot of the N-owners also have 100 series tractors and thought you might find this info useful.

Funny thing - I've never had a bit of trouble with the valve on my 8N. Must be a better design.

FWIW - Mark

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Gaspump

01-05-2002 09:42:42




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 Re: 100 Series Topic - Repairing a Leaking Zenith Fuel Valve in reply to Mark B (PA), 01-04-2002 19:53:16  
I will save your tips should my 1957 ever start leaking. I have one problem with your solution and that is the use of JB-Weld, it is not impervious to gasoline and could and likely will fail. I would use something else or keep a very close watch on the rivit replacement.



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Mark B (PA)

01-05-2002 11:07:00




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 Re: Re: 100 Series Topic - Repairing a Leaking Zenith Fuel Valve in reply to Gaspump, 01-05-2002 09:42:42  
Gaspump - Good point. I've used JB weld with limited fuel exposure and it held up OK. I've also seen it fail when it takes too much fuel.

The rivet shouldn't be exposed to any fuel as long as the O-ring does it's job. In this case, if the O-ring fails I'll have fuel leaking around the valve too, and it will be back to the drawing board! :-)



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ZANE

01-05-2002 05:34:29




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 Re: 100 Series Topic - Repairing a Leaking Zenith Fuel Valve in reply to Mark B (PA), 01-04-2002 19:53:16  
I have used a few biblical terms because of those valves myself over the years.

Lots of times they are damaged my someone opening them with too much force when the screw reaches it's outward limit. This will damage it every time. I have leared to open this valve no more than two complete revolutions.



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Ed Gooding (VA)

01-05-2002 04:46:57




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 Re: 100 Series Topic - Repairing a Leaking Zenith Fuel Valve in reply to Mark B (PA), 01-04-2002 19:53:16  
Hi Mark. Great tip. Thanks!

One thing I might add about o-rings in general. You can extend the effective life of them (if they are not abused) by putting a very light coating of silicone grease on them. You don't leave any goop on the o-ring, you just make it shiny.

One of my hobbies is scuba diving and I shoot underwater video. As such, I've gotten pretty intimate with o-rings, because they are what keep salt water out of my camera housing and prevent the conversion of a very expensive video camera into a door stop. I'm religious about keeping the o-rings pliable to ensure they continue to seal well.

fwiw..... ..Ed
'52 8N475798

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Mark B (PA)

01-05-2002 05:07:56




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 Re: Re: 100 Series Topic - Repairing a Leaking Zenith Fuel Valve in reply to Ed Gooding (VA), 01-05-2002 04:46:57  
Ed - I considered trying to grease the O-ring but I thought the fuel would wash off the lube and thus didn't pursue it. I never thought about the silicone base absorbing into the rubber and being impervious to the fuel. Super suggestion! I'll try it if'n the valve ever acts up again.

I also considered machining a second O-ring groove on the valve. I felt if one O-ring is good, two would be better. It also appeared that the space between the O-rings would hold some type of lubricant safe from fuel exposure. Never got that far with the fixes but it seemed like a good idea.

Scuba diver huh? Great hobby! I went through NAUI certification back in 1978, went diving for a couple years, but myself and dive buddies went in other directions and I eventually sold my gear. Regretted it, I assure you. Very enjoyable hobby.
Mark

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Mark B (PA)

01-05-2002 05:13:23




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 Re: Re: 100 Series Topic - Repairing a Leaking Zenith Fuel Valve in reply to Tyler (MD), 01-05-2002 02:33:29  
Tyman - Glad you enjoyed. I remember when the 640 valve was giving you fits. Good to hear you chased the demons out of it !

Thanks for a great pic to further illustrate the topic. Much nicer than my ( "Let's push all the crap to one side of a greasy workbench and shoot a lousy photo")effort! LOL!



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rasputen

01-04-2002 20:40:57




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 Re: 100 Series Topic - Repairing a Leaking Zenith Fuel Valve in reply to Mark B (PA), 01-04-2002 19:53:16  
Thanks Mark, I haven't worked on my 641 gas tank yet but it is full of rust. My valve dosen't leak but has a screw instead of a "T" valve. Maybe someone "fixed" it already.
I have the hood off and some POR15. Guess I'd better do it soon.
bd



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Mark B (PA)

01-04-2002 21:08:45




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 Re: Re: 100 Series Topic - Repairing a Leaking Zenith Fuel Valve in reply to rasputen, 01-04-2002 20:40:57  
If your valve doesn't leak you are lucky. I've talked with lots of folks who had trouble with 'em. You must be living right! :-)

The T handle is grafted on to a newer "screw" valve if you look close. The valve on the right is the original one from 1955 and is a different design, unfortunately it was beyond repair. I took the T handle off of it and grafted it on the zenith as it made it easier to turn and looked more like the original that way

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Mark Hendershot

01-04-2002 21:00:52




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 Re: Re: 100 Series Topic - Repairing a Leaking Zenith Fuel Valve in reply to rasputen, 01-04-2002 20:40:57  
You should see my hands! I have completley taken apart a 8N tractor the last week you talk about stains, cuts, nicks and sore fingers! My wife don't like me to touch her now till I get them some what clean again! But it was fun doing it!!! Mark H.



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Mark B (PA)

01-04-2002 21:04:40




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 Re: Re: Re: 100 Series Topic - Repairing a Leaking Zenith Fuel Valve in reply to Mark Hendershot, 01-04-2002 21:00:52  
Mark - Pic was taken long after the restoration was finished. I have two real solid Fords now so don't spend much time turning wrenches!



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Mark Hendershot

01-04-2002 20:16:38




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 Re: 100 Series Topic - Repairing a Leaking Zenith Fuel Valve in reply to Mark B (PA), 01-04-2002 19:53:16  
This is a dumb comment but if you had a close up of my finger they would look like sh** !! Your tractor must be clean and not bite to much! Mark H.



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