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Jubie has the hic-ups

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Terry Mo.

12-01-2001 14:14:53




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When i have weight on the 3 point it developes a case of hic-ups. I adjusted all the slop out of the main control spring behind the seat but still have the same symptoms. Where do i go from there?
I have checked the archives and i don`t have a service manual yet.

Thanks in advance,Terry




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ZANE

12-01-2001 18:41:44




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 Re: Jubie has the hic-ups in reply to Terry Mo., 12-01-2001 14:14:53  
You have an internal leak of the pressurized hydraulic oil.

Buy an O ring set from some small tractor dealer that handles old Ford stuff and install all the O rings where they fit.

The NAA and later Ford tractors have an unloading valve that is hydraulically operated and it has an O ring on it that wears out from moving back and forth each time the lift starts to raise. Replace this unloading valve O ring with the exact right O ring. Do not use a substitute.

Here is my file on the unloading valve replacement on the NAA etc.

The 20 w oil probably would not have aany effect on the operation of the lift unless it could have in some way caused the O ring on the unloading valve to change shape. The 134 oil is what I would use. However you guys who are where it goes down to 0 deg probably could use a lighter oil better.
I would first try bleeding the pump by removing the front pipe plug with the allen head hole in it. Start the tractor and let it idle as slow as possible and when all the bubbles are gone stop the tractor and put the plug back in. You will loose about a half cup usually so put something under the pump to catch the oil.
If it won't work then you must go into the lift and take out the unloading valve and clean it up and replace the O ring with the Ford O ring made specifically for the unloading valve. The old part # was NCA 836B. Don't use a substitute or you will be sorry.
It is a good idea to replace the back pressure valve or at least see that it is working properly.@ has some resistance to air pressure etc .Also be sure the big O ring that seals the back pressure valve to the side of the lift is in good order.
The back pressure valve must be disengaged from the side of the lift housing inside by removing the large acorn nut on the right side of the lift housing and backing the large hollow screw out counter clock wise till a light resistance is felt. Stop unscrewing then as you will damage the valve if force is used past when you feel resistance.
The unloading valve is covered by a plate at the front of the control valve housing just above the control valve. The unloading valve is covered by a 25cent size plug.. The valve can then be pushed out with a punch of the appropriate size. By slightly tapping the end of it till the small plug pops out The O ring will be on the unloading valve that needs to be replaced.
If you will look around on the other reference pages of the N board etc you can probably find some good views of the lift to give you some idea of what you will be looking at.
When taking the lift control housing off the tractor remove only the bolts that are around the ;outside edge of the housing and do not remove any of the bolt that are inside this circle of bolts. If you encounter a bolt that has fine threads on it put it back where you took it out. The fine threaded bolts hold the cylinder to the cover housing.
Good luck Zane in Al.

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bg

12-01-2001 15:30:28




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 Re: Jubie has the hic-ups in reply to Terry Mo., 12-01-2001 14:14:53  
There may be a problem with the valves or the piston/cylinder. I'm not familiar with the NAA set-up, since it's differnt from the 8N, but on the 8N the safety valve can get stuck or damaged and that lets the fluid leak down as the pump is constantly supplying fluid and that makes it "hiccup." Go to Dan Dibben's Vintage Ford Tractor resource page and he has an animated graphic of how the system works.

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