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levon

04-07-2000 14:31:08




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I'm making a counter weight for my 8n to put on when I use my loader. Any recommendations on how heavy I should make it. I searched the archives and found 1 post that recommended 400 lbs. Does this sound good? Also, some people have said that I do need limiter chains and others have said no need for this light a weight. Comments?

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Larry 8N75381

04-07-2000 16:33:47




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 Re: Counter Weight in reply to levon, 04-07-2000 14:31:08  
Your counter weight is to take weight off the front wheels, correct? Remember your high school physics, and levers and how they work. That means the rear wheels are the fulcrum. SO adding weight at the rear wheels will only help keep to the rear wheels down, but it will not take weight off the front wheels. HOW much weight you use for the counterweight, depends on how far back behind the rear wheels it is. A 100lb weight 5 feet back is as good as a 500lb weight one foot back. Now you need also to remember that there is a limit on the weight you can carry with the rear wheels. Thus I'd get the weight as far back as I can, without it being where it will restrict manuvering the tractor too much.

I'd shoot to have the front wheels with around 150 to 200 lbs on them with the loader and counterweight on, but no load in the bucket. I haven't figured out how I'm going to do that when I finally put my loader on. But I'll concoct some way to measure the front weight when I am loading up my counterweight.

I'd also use some thing like limiter chains to hold the counterweight up once I lifted it with the hydro lift. Then you can lower the touch control lever to take that load off the hydraulics, might as well save the wear and tear on them. You could also then disengage the PTO clutch so you would not be putting power into the hydro pump where it is not needed.

HTH

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Larry

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Margaret Bengry

05-07-2001 14:00:46




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 Re: Re: Counter Weight in reply to Larry 8N75381, 04-07-2000 16:33:47  
Thank you, Larry! A nice, thorough explanation and I'll definitely give it a try.



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Salmoneye

04-07-2000 18:30:38




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 Re: Re: Counter Weight in reply to Larry 8N75381, 04-07-2000 16:33:47  
Thank You! This is exactly why I have been lurking and learning here for the last few weeks. I was under the delusion that the only reason you would want weight in the rear tires was to keep them on the ground when lifting a load in the bucket. It never occurred to me to have the weight lifted off the front wheels by the simplest 'machine' known to man. Duh...Highschool was a long time ago! I grew up haying and sugaring with tractors, and then went to work in factories. It never occured to me when I was a kid to ask why I was doing things, just that they worked. Now I am back to tractors, and can not express my appreciation enough for the re-education that I am getting!

Thanks To All!

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paul

04-07-2000 19:22:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Counter Weight in reply to Salmoneye, 04-07-2000 18:30:38  
Sounds good, but I'd want more than 150 lbs on the front axle!!! Gotta steer somehow. Also, what if you remove the loader & forget to take the weight off first????

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Larry 8N75381

04-10-2000 09:09:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Counter Weight in reply to paul, 04-07-2000 19:22:36  
Hi guys,

I left soon after I made that post to go out to my farm and "play with my toys." Otherwise I would have responded sooner.

Re: the 150 lbs, that was a SWAG which I would/will rethink when I make my counter wieght. Actually, testing for the feel and control be adding weight a little at a time. I based that weight on the 700 lbs on the front axle that the Operators Manual quotes for the basic tractor. Actually, one could/should figure what a loaded bucket might weigh and then back calculate baised on the max load on the front end cited in the Op.Man.

Pual, it is HIGHLY unlikely that you would forget to take off the counter weight when you take off the loader. Taking off a loader is not the simple task that taking off a three point hitch implement is. At least not one of the old Dearborn tube loaders. :-)

Larry

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Salmoneye

04-07-2000 14:47:44




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 Re: Counter Weight in reply to levon, 04-07-2000 14:31:08  
Are your rear tires tubed and loaded? It is my understanding that loading the rears weighs a lot more than 400#...



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Russ in SoCal

04-07-2000 20:18:22




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 Re: Re: Counter Weight in reply to Salmoneye, 04-07-2000 14:47:44  
Just read this a couple weeks ago. Supposedly 10x28 tires weigh an extra 325 pounds each with calcium chloride solution and the 11.2x28's are an extra 425 pounds each. I know mine get Super-glued to the ground when I drop them.



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