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12v Coil and No Spark (response to Dell)

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Martin

06-21-2001 10:16:33




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Dell, I saw your comment on the requirement for only one resistor (.4 ohms with 20-25 watt rating) when using a 12v coil. I don�t in any way doubt that you are correct and thanks for your help.

My only confusion is that the instructions with the TISCO kit specifically state to use the included resistor in addition to the standard resistor. Also, I am positive that the coil included in the kit is marked as 12v with a sticker. Could it be that the coil is actually a 6v coil with a 12v sticker. The manufacturer might do this because people are �expecting� a 12v coil, or because they are easier to source. Seems like a stretch but I�m having trouble reconciling the conflict. I believe some folks have written in the archives that one can determine if a coil is 6v or 12v by measuring its resistance. I will try to look that up. Now my curiosity is really aroused, not to mention my temper.

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Dell (WA)

06-21-2001 14:21:59




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 Re: 12v Coil and No Spark (response to Dell) in reply to Martin, 06-21-2001 10:16:33  
Martin..... ..first off.....unless lab grade, ohm meters are not very accurate at low resistance values. And that is exactly what any ignition coil primary is, low resistance.

But to clear up any confusion, you're gonna hafta measure your intended ignition coil primary resistance.

First....ZERO your ohm meter by connecting your two meter leads together, some meters have a zero adjust knob, alot of digital meters don't, don't sweat it. If'n unable to zero, write down the ohmmeter reading anyways.

2nd..... read the frontmount ignition coil primary resistance from the coil terminal to the springy thingy on the bottom.

3rd..... a 6 volt frontmount coil primary should read less than 1 ohm. A 12 volt frontmount coil primary should read about 4 ohms. Realize that these readings are not intended to be "exact" but to give you something to make a decision with.

4th.....Decision time.....If'n primary resistance is about 1 ohm, its a 6 volt frontmount coil and use the 2 resistors as you once had it wired up..... If'n coil primary resistance is 3-4 ohms, its a 12 volt frontmount coil and use the 0.4 ohm 20 watt recommend resistor.

OBTW..... the secondary resistance should be 5,000 to 10,000 (5K-10K) ohms resistance which will read like an open on the low ohm meter range..... .and if'n you're in the high ohm meter range, the low primary resistance will read like a short circuit.

If'n you do not understand this instruction, please ask more questions..... ....Dell

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Gene Miller

06-22-2001 08:31:37




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 Re: Re: 12v Coil and No Spark (response to Dell) in reply to Dell (WA), 06-21-2001 14:21:59  
Hey Dell,

Is a .6 25 watt resistor close enough for a 12 Volt coil??


Thanks



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no . . . Dell (WA)

06-22-2001 09:25:23




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 Re: Re: Re: 12v Coil and No Spark (response to Dell) in reply to Gene Miller, 06-22-2001 08:31:37  
Gene..... .0.6 ohms is 50% too much more resistance than 0.4 ohms.

What we're trying to do here is to limit the 12 volt current thru both the coil and the points to about 3 amps.

Voltmeters are so much more accurate measuring amps by converting amps thru resistance to volts....its an Ohms Law thing.

Therefore, if'n you are converting a frontmount to 12 volts witha 12 volt ignition coil, you need a 0.4 ohm 20-25 watt power resistor or you will burn out eather the coil or the points.

There have been many post answering this question. You might want to check the "archives" of this great N-Board and read about the trials and tribulations of the electrically challenged converting to 12 volts..... .....Dell

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Martin

06-21-2001 14:20:23




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 Re: 12v Coil and No Spark (response to Dell) in reply to Martin, 06-21-2001 10:16:33  
Well, I have confirmed that, in fact, this kit for the front mounted 12v coil should not have included the ceramic resistor. And apparently, the directions are incorrect in the kit as well. Just goes to show, once again, the value of this site. Without this site, I could have wasted several hours trying to figure out what was wrong as I would have naturally assumed the directions were correct.

I now assume the only incorrect aspect of the directions is the inclusion of the extra resistor in series with the original resistor.

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bj/8N/mt

06-22-2001 06:47:01




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 Re: Re: 12v Coil and No Spark (response to Dell) in reply to Martin, 06-21-2001 14:20:23  
Can I suggest you take a minute to make the world a better place? If you have the time then repost exactly what was wrong with the directions and kit you purchased. Second time make the post title something that folks with your problem are likely to look at in the archives. E.G. "12 volt conversion kit with directions in error" or you can probably do better than that. Others are likely to encounter the same trouble and the title of the post is key to finding things in the archives. I would blow past this title unless I knew what was there. Not that I would convert my six volt 8N's neither of which missed a start last winter in Montana or consider a twelve volt conversion an "upgrade" but some apparantly would and do.

Your mileage may vary

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Marin

06-22-2001 11:11:32




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 Re: Re: Re: 12v Coil and No Spark (response to Dell) in reply to bj/8N/mt, 06-22-2001 06:47:01  
Will do... In fact, at this rate, I might even research this topic a little more and throw up a web site. Seems to definitly be a need for concise information in one location. I did originally search through the archives. There were so many posts on the topic that I could not read them all.



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Mountainman

06-21-2001 11:04:48




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 Re: 12v Coil and No Spark (response to Dell) in reply to Martin, 06-21-2001 10:16:33  
I got a resistor equivelent to one used in a '55 Chevy when I converted to 12 volts. Used by itself, I get between 7.5 and 8 volts at the 12 volt coil (front mount). The resistor that came with my converstion kit was for use with a six volt coil and was meant to be used with the original resistor.
Since my original resistor was shot, it was an easy decision to find the logical 12 volt replacement.
Dell and others think the resistance at coil should be 10 - 11 volts but mine works just fine on 7.5 to 8 volts so as the saying goes "don't fix what ain't broke". Besides, that's just double the amount recomended for a six volt coil.
Hope this helps.

Mountainman (CA)

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