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Paul

06-18-2001 13:02:12




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Last week I was mowing across a really rough part of a field, when the front wheels decided to go in different directions. Getting back to the barn was a "real trip!" I know the steering sectors have become unsynchronized, but the recommended proceedure in the book, turning the wheel full lock and then repositioning the sector arms, doesn't work. Any trick, other than lifting the upper part of the steering box and getting the arms synced that way?

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Paul

07-04-2001 09:39:40




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 Re: 2N Steering in reply to Paul, 06-18-2001 13:02:12  
Just to close this one: I finally had time to pull the cover and (no surprise, but not what I wanted to see) the right-hand sector is missing about three and half teeth in the middle! No wonder it jumped out. Good thing it happened when it did: there is a long crack showing about three teeth away, and if that fell off, I'd probably not have gotten it back to the barn! Now the big decision: look for a good used sector, or buy a new pair. Ouch!

Thanks again for your comments,all.

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Mikey

06-18-2001 16:50:44




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 Re: 2N Steering in reply to Paul, 06-18-2001 13:02:12  
Paul,
I have a '41 9n w/ aluminum dash and battery tray. If your 2N has the same configuration, you can move the left arm towards the rear and the right foreward as possible and rotate the steering shaft freely. From rebuilding mine, I cannot see any way that they could become unsychronized while the arms are in a normal driving position.

I figure you stripped somethin'. You might have gotten lucky(?) and lost the bearing on the bottom of the steering shaft (FO-4, pg 18, fig F015) which could allow the steering shaft to rise and disconnect from the steering sectors. Can you pull up on the steering wheel and feel any play in the shaft?

If you have play, check the bearing. It's cheaper than new sectors! You have to pull the box to do this, but by then the problem will explain itself.

Keep us informed!

Mikey

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TimK

06-18-2001 13:59:27




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 Re: 2N Steering in reply to Paul, 06-18-2001 13:02:12  
I suspicion that you sheared the teeth on the steering pinion shaft, since you should not be able to move the steering sectors independently of each other unless the steering shaft is removed. The procedure you are trying is when you are setting up the sectors, let's say after a rebuild. You position the sectors in opposite directions of each other, and then insert the steering shaft. I don't think that the steering sectors can simply "run off" the steering pinion unless there are some teeth missing somewhere to disengage the steering sectors. But that's an opion, and maybe more of the experts on this excellent Board can lend some of their considerable experience here. By the way, if you were going straight when this happened, the steering sector teeth become mostly worn in the straight ahead postion, and most prone to breakage in that position. My $.02

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Paul

06-18-2001 17:21:14




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 Re: Re: 2N Steering in reply to TimK, 06-18-2001 13:59:27  
Wow! Talk about quick response, two answers in less than a couple of hours! What a great board.

Let me be more specific: I can still turn the wheel, and it still pulls one sector and pushes the other. Only one (it seems to be the right one) doesn't travel the full arc. I've tried pulling up on the steering shaft, but it was already as tight as it could get, and that doesn't release the sectors for repositioning. Neither does removing the nuts and trying to push the shaft down to release (worth a try, I thought). Again, the book I have says that if you release the tie rods, you should be able to turn the wheel full lock and the sectors will reposition themselves. Was this just something Henry dreamed about, has anyone every done it that way? Given the book, I would think it must be a common enough problem.

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TimK

06-18-2001 21:36:48




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 Re: Re: Re: 2N Steering in reply to Paul, 06-18-2001 17:21:14  
Your 50+ year old machine has probably never had the steering rebuilt, as most people can put up with the excessive play in the wheel over the years. Anyhow, there is no adjustment on the steering shaft once the thing is installed. In fact, the shaft is installed from the bottom of the column upward with only the top nut holding it up and setting the preload on the top and bottom bearings. Ya can't pull the shaft up, or down, to repositon the sectors, unless there is somethin broke. Ya gotta take it apart. When you take it apart chances are you are going to find 1. worn or broken sector teeth especially in the middle of the sectors: 2. possibly worn pinion shaft gear, or broken teeth: 3. worn out bearings and races on both top and bottom of the steering shaft and the side bearing halves. Unless you can find some good, used parts replacements, you're looking at a $400+ job with new parts if you do it yourself (new sectors are $$$$'s). Sorry to rain on your parade, but I don't think you are going to find a cheap fix for this no matter how much "repositioning" you try to do. Hope I'm wrong. Luck. And that's....my $.02

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Mikey

06-18-2001 17:41:41




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 Re: Re: Re: 2N Steering in reply to Paul, 06-18-2001 17:21:14  
Paul,
If you pull the tie rods off, you should be able to spin the steering shaft like crazy by pushing your sector arms in opposite directions. With the arms off, you will at least eliminate any problems from the sectors foreward my moving them as far as they will go. If you dont have full travel, get ready to yank her apart.

Maybee you got a busted tooth from the steering shaft stuck in a sector? Never can tell!

This will be a good time to R & R your steering assembly. When I started it took two arms to turn the wheel, and now I can spin the steering shaft with a nudge on one sector!

Mikey

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