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Tyler Janke

08-31-2002 22:17:37




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heres a question for you MM experts out there. what is an unrestored R cab worth? both the high side and low side. and second, are there any for sale out there?

I am in the process of restoring a 1951 RTE,could a factory cab have been an option on such a late model R? any answers or insight would be of great help.




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Jim Parisot

09-03-2002 22:17:43




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 Re: R moline cabs in reply to Tyler Janke, 08-31-2002 22:17:37  
Tyler,

It seems that you have gotten as much misinformation as information to your question. A cab would look neat on your 1951 RTE but it is much too late a tractor to have had it installed as original equipement. No one knows for sure how many cabs were produced, but the 401 figure is always thrown around and seems reasonable, yet unsubstantiated by factory documents. As for all being built in 1938, I really doubt it, as the first tractors were a 1939 model year. Also, if all were built that early on, then some had to be modified at two separate times as there are 3 variations of the cab. The first type fit the "square" tank, early R's. The second fit the "round" tank, starting at serial #404801 and the third fit serial #405699-up with the new narrower platform. The parts books all show a second "round" tank for tractors with cabs. As far as only being fitted to row crops, the cab was available for the standard tractor as well. MM literature shows the cab on standards and also states all options available on the row crop are available on the standards. If they were having a hard time selling cabs do you think they wouldn't drop one on a standard tractor if someone wanted it? With that said, how many standards would have been equipped with cabs - not very many I'd think?

As far as the slit in the serial tag theory, I thought that was dispelled long ago. Upon close examination it becomes apparant that the tractor serial tags were stamped with the 3 5/8 x 4 engine size as per the engine serial tags and MM was too cheap to throw them out so just cut the misstamping out and put them on the tractors.

As far as the mail carrier special, I seriously doubt that MM ever sold even one of them. As far as I know there are only 2 photos of the same tractor in front of the same building. And, it's not a standard type tractor, it's more of a high crop style as the wide front has much longer knees and the print literature states it has 38 inch rear rubber. The non-adjustable wide front is much lighter duty than the standard tractors. I have never seen one, heard of one, talked to anyone who has, or even heard a rumor of ones existance. I must admit, it's a really interesting concept and a neat looking tractor, looks like a "square" tank tractor in the picture.
Hope this helps straighten out a few points.

Jim

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Kevin Moschenrose

09-04-2002 07:15:49




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 Re: Re: R moline cabs in reply to Jim Parisot, 09-03-2002 22:17:43  
Jim you are correct about the slot cut in the tags. I have an rti with one cut and no cab! It is made of brass and it's a 1941 model. I think during the war time brass would be a little hard to come by. Oh buy the way check out the book Minneapolis-Moline farm tractors page 54! Besides just because you have never seen or heard of one doesn't mean it doesn't exist! I have seen one!



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Jim Parisot

09-04-2002 21:55:09




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 Re: Re: Re: R moline cabs in reply to Kevin Moschenrose, 09-04-2002 07:15:49  
Kevin,

You have really piqued my interest. I do not have the book you allude to - what does it say or picture concerning the mail carrier R's? On the tractor you saw, how was it tagged? Was it a square tank? Did it still have the special fenders with the guard rails and the factory cab. How did they achieve the road speed of 19 MPH? I can't imagine that just the 38" rear tires would do that, did they speed up the engine or change the transmission gears? Did you get any pictures of the tractor? I'm sure others would like to hear about what you saw as well as me. You are right, what I've not seen doesn't mean much, but the accumulated eyes of a lot of collectors I've talked to does. I'm always ready to be proven wrong, especially when it's a great find like have seen.

Jim

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Kelvin

09-02-2002 18:54:13




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 Re: R moline cabs in reply to Tyler Janke, 08-31-2002 22:17:37  
Guys, I'm sure I've seen a later that '40 tractor with a cab down here in NC. This tractor has the 'rounded' 2-piece gas tank and has all the correct parts for a later that '40 tractor. It had no obvious 'patchwork' around the gas tank to fit the cab around the fuel tank.

If you're gonna fit a cab to a tractor, you have to keep in mind that MM used 2 styles of fuel tanks. '39 and some '40 R's used tapered tanks with 'square' corners. late '40 and up used the rounded tank.
To install the cab and do it right, you have to have the correct transmission top, instrument panel (if you want electric start on the early ones) and fuel tank mounts. Some other parts may be different too.

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Joe

09-03-2002 06:15:58




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 Re: Re: R moline cabs in reply to Kelvin, 09-02-2002 18:54:13  
If you have seen a later than 1940 RTU with cab, then someone added it to a tractor that did not come originally equipped with it. Only the very early "RT" tractors came originally equipped with a cab.



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Doug

09-02-2002 01:43:43




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 Re: R moline cabs in reply to Tyler Janke, 08-31-2002 22:17:37  
Tyler Its my understanding that their were only 401 cabs built in 1938. I have a 1942 RT with factory cab that the dealer put on new just to get rid of the cab. I also have another cab with back door which is hard to find which is rough shape thatI would sell for right price. Let me know by email or 815 857 3978 Thanks Doug



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Pete-mi

09-01-2002 20:39:28




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 Re: R moline cabs in reply to Tyler Janke, 08-31-2002 22:17:37  
All of them I have seen photos of wer the early 1939-40 style. These used a fuel tank with the narrow back and wide front part like the ZT series. I dont know if one would fit on the later type fuel tanked tractor.



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Joe

09-01-2002 08:28:18




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 Re: R moline cabs in reply to Tyler Janke, 08-31-2002 22:17:37  
The cab was only an option for early row crop "RT" tractors (i.e. 1939/1940 models). From what I have heard from other collectors that own them, there were only approximately 400 early row crop "RT's" equipped with the cab. A small slit in the serial number tag is the identifier as to whether the tractor was originally equipped with the cab or not. The other respondent is correct that some of the cabs were mounted on special application tractors, but the early row crop "RT's" were the only agricultural tractors equipped with the cab.

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Kevin Moschenrose

09-01-2002 06:42:17




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 Re: R moline cabs in reply to Tyler Janke, 08-31-2002 22:17:37  
Tyler, The low end I don't know but I did see just a cab sell at a local Thanksgiving auction sell for $3000.00. It was just a cab no glass or door on it and it was rusted through a little on the bottom corners from setting on the ground. I do know on the second part of your question is that them did put cabs on RTS,s and sold they as a mail carriers type tractor. They mounted racks on the sides of the hood and over the front axle for extra mail bags. They also sold to the military a ZTX with a r cab on it as well. But as far as an option goes I would say yes!

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