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Semi-Stuck Model R

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Pollack Pete

02-01-2001 16:43:10




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I've been working on a model R.The pistons were stuck in the cylinders.I got them out,but the crankshaft turns real hard,like a bearing is siezed or something.Do I have anything particular to look for?If I do need bearings,does anyone know of a source?I also need a supplier for the front and rear main seals.I already got a complete gasket set from NAPA,but it didn't include the seals.Thanks,Pollack Pete

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Jeff Erhardt

02-21-2001 16:22:08




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 Re: Semi-Stuck Model R in reply to Pollack Pete, 02-01-2001 16:43:10  
You might have to replace the main bearings these are timken type bearings (roller bearings) there
are three bearings in this model engine. Make sure that you mark the position of the cam shaft gear to the cranshaft gear before dissasembly. I have a Z that has the basic same block I am restoring an R and have one cylinder that has a stuck piston. How did you get the pistons out?
Try White dealers for parts they might have some on stock good luck Jeff

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jesse

02-07-2001 13:21:24




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 Re: Semi-Stuck Model R in reply to Pollack Pete, 02-01-2001 16:43:10  
I would be careful about buying will fit bearings from napa. Any dealer of agco will have the right bearings and gaskets. I get parts from a agco dealer in Lennox, SD. If questions about parts email and ill give you the number for lennox.



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mr j

09-08-2001 06:47:13




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 Re: Re: Semi-Stuck Model R in reply to jesse, 02-07-2001 13:21:24  
some agco dealers are not mm dealers, I foud that out tring to find parts for a mm rtu sincerlr mr j



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BMG

02-08-2001 19:52:43




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 Re: Re: Semi-Stuck Model R in reply to jesse, 02-07-2001 13:21:24  
Jesse, When it comes to roller bearings I replace them with the exact brand and full part number stamped on the race. You can't go wrong and you can save the AGCO mark up if you shop around on the price.

Brian



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BMG

02-06-2001 19:34:13




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 Re: Semi-Stuck Model R in reply to Pollack Pete, 02-01-2001 16:43:10  
Pollack Pete,
NAPA has the seals for the front and rear of the crank in a CR #. I just bought a rear seal the other day but don't have the number handy. The front seal is a new type with out the dust shield. Jim is right the front bearing is probably bad and you should definitely replace it on any MM R rebuild. These bearings are not as expensive as most think. They can be purchased from any ball bearing supply house. There is a Bower bearing number on the old bearing. I found them on line for a very reasonable price. I don't have the info right in front of me but if you're interested send me an e-mail and I'll try to look it up this weekend.

Brian

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Jim Parisot

02-07-2001 10:06:39




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 Re: Re: Semi-Stuck Model R in reply to BMG, 02-06-2001 19:34:13  
BMG,

Let us know where you are buying your Bower MA 1212-EL front bearings. I had one bearing house in Omaha quote me $100 for it, so the $60-65 another quoted looked cheap. What is the front seal they supply, just a plain lipped seal of the proper o.d. and i.d.?

I've got a 1948 R that has a bad front bearing, there must be 3/16 inch play when you grab the belt pulleys and yank it. Yet it doesn't leak a drop of oil. Its still got the original seal, I can't figure it out, every one I've ever seen leaks and is surrounded by the old oily dirt. The tractor sounds like a J.D. 720-730 Diesel knocking, a good sound on a 730, not good on a little R.

Jim

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BMG

02-08-2001 19:48:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Semi-Stuck Model R in reply to Jim Parisot, 02-07-2001 10:06:39  
Jim,
I can't seem to find my info on the bearings here in the house. I'll have to look outside in the shed. The seal I used for the front is just a standard lip seal. I've got the old NAPA # but I know they've changed #'s since my catalog was printed. I'll find the info and get back with you.
I think I ordered the Bower bearing out of a bearing house in Texas but I'll let you know for sure. Brian

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Jim Parisot

02-02-2001 13:18:53




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 Re: Semi-Stuck Model R in reply to Pollack Pete, 02-01-2001 16:43:10  
Pollack Pete,

It's possible your front bearing is siezing as it is a large roller bearing. You will probably want to replace it irregardless, as long as you are this far into the tractor. Watch out, they are expensive. It's possible too, if you don't have the distributor, oil pump, and their shaft out, that there could be some binding in there. The rear bearing is just a main-thrust bearing, could be possible that it is galled, you'll sure know when you take it off. If it looks fairly good have it miked at the machine shop along with the rod throws and bearings. Just get the number off the rear seal and any bearing house can supply it, as can NAPA probably. The front seal is a felt stuffed into that wierd stamped steel, bell shaped combination dust shield-front crankshaft seal. I don't know what the guys are doing when they work on these, they are no longer available from AGCO. I've been getting a felt from a truck supply company that is close in dimension, and stuffing it back in after prying the old one out. I can get the number for you if you wish to go that route. It seems to work well.
Hope this helps.

Jim

P.S. I think you've got the hard part done, in getting the stuck pistons out!

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