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G1000 FWA Serial # Distinction???

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Mike L.

02-16-2008 17:21:27




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I have a real good FWA that came off a G1000. It was an older model with brown paint and the "standard" design... I bought it some years back at a farm sale thinking it would attach to my G-vi. I was quite mistaken, and felt rather foolish.

My brother just bought an old MM 1000 diesel that is pretty decent shape. We were thinking about making it a FWD with my 4x4 axle. It looks like quite a job, and a local White dealer provided us with some info on the extensive work and cost of installation on a non factory FWA G1000.

We want nothing more then a versatile, and handy tractor with 4x4 for all the low riverside ground we have. (180 of our 200 acres is usually muddy). we have $3000 in the G1000 and I paid $450 for the 4x4 axle 14 years ago, so we don't have a whole lot invested and have some room to spend on improvements.

We also have a Gvi LP, and 2 model U, one LP and one "Special" diesel. all have never left the farm since dad bought them new.


The dealer told us the 4x4 front axle was pretty scarce for a g1000, and even rarer to find one intact on the tractor. I looked on the MM website and saw a topic posted about the value of a G1000 FWA!!! Wow, those are worth a lot. i would like to make ours 4x4 even if it is obviously not factory..just for our farming purposes.

Anyways, my Big question was, did MM have any seperate serial numbers, or production numbers for FWA g1000. I know there are 2 different types..the standard, and the later model with the fuel tank under the seat and all yellow paint. i have been very curious as of how many were produced? And, is there any difference between the early g1000 axle and the later? Im not trying to "clone" a rare collectors tractor, just make ours a little more handy. Thanks in advance, Michael Lehs

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newfarmer9

02-17-2008 18:21:27




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 Re: G1000 FWA Serial # Distinction??? in reply to Mike L., 02-16-2008 17:21:27  
Good luck on your quest for a FWA tractor, hopefully you find something that suits your needs and is reasonably priced as well.



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newfarmer9

02-17-2008 07:54:55




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 Re: G1000 FWA Serial # Distinction??? in reply to Mike L., 02-16-2008 17:21:27  
Dave is correct again, the Coleman unit was not factory installed on G1000s, it is likely from a G706. I imagine the auctioneer was mistaken in his description. I suspect it would be quite a big and costly job to adapt a Coleman axle to fit a G1000.



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Mike L.

02-17-2008 14:08:11




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 Re: G1000 FWA Serial # Distinction??? in reply to newfarmer9, 02-17-2008 07:54:55  
Well Im glad I got on here for info before we tore into this project. Sounds like even if I had the correct axle (which I do not) it would be a costly and difficult modification. I will probably hang onto it anyways cause I never mind having extra MM stuff for a potential project sometime.

I still would not mind having a burly FWA tractor to work ground with. Our farm is not that big, and we sure do like our MMs. It sounds like a G706 is the entry level priced MM FWA. All the 604s, G900 and 1000 FWAs are very costly. So if i wanted to spend around $5,000-7,500 on a solid working order MM FWA would I have any other options then the G706? Or are most of them too scarce and collectable, I have not seen too many..I would need about 70hp+ to pull our implement.

I found a picture of a MM M5 with FWA that looked just like the elwood axle on the M504 picture. Are these the same tractor? They look almost exactly alike. My basic MM knowledge tells me the 504 is very scarce!!! But are there a lot of these M5 FWA floating around? I would not mind having one of those if they are abundant enough to be priced reasonably : )

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Dave Ritenburgh

02-17-2008 14:54:20




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 Re: G1000 FWA Serial # Distinction??? in reply to Mike L., 02-17-2008 14:08:11  
The G706 is by far the most common FWA MM and you can probably find a good one in that price range. The M504 is an M5 With FWA. Less than 31 M504's were built and they are very valuable. M5's are the same tractor, but with the Elwood Front wheel assist added after they left the plant,in most cases. There are a few of these around, but they are certainly not plentiful and are smaller than 70 H.P.

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Mike L.

02-17-2008 16:41:19




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 Re: G1000 FWA Serial # Distinction??? in reply to Dave Ritenburgh, 02-17-2008 14:54:20  
Thanks very much Dave, Deane, and newfarmer9. This message board is quite impressive, a lot of MM knowledge here!!!

I think I will try and shoot for a 706 down the road. I have also been nosing around the Oliver 4x4s as well. There seem to be a good few of them left, but they are also pretty costly. I like the MMs better, but those FWA Olivers sure do look mean.

Ya'll gave me a lot of good info to consider; so I think I will step up my search for a good FWA come spring.

I will try to attach a picture here... This is my brothers U302 with appx. 13,000 hours. It had to roll over cause the hourmeter only had four digits. Anyways it does not have a T/A??? There is just a straight 5 speed and 1 reverse. Every other 302 I have seen has the T/A. I thought the T/A would have been standard equipment by the time of the 302, this must have been ordered without one??? Anyways, I just kind of found that odd.

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DEAN ZINGRE

02-17-2008 07:12:33




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 Re: G1000 FWA Serial # Distinction??? in reply to Mike L., 02-16-2008 17:21:27  
MIKE - NICE TO SEE YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE M.M. FWA'S . MANY OF US M.M. COLLECTORS HAVE HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS. AS DAVE HAS EXPLAINED,THE ELWOOD WOULD NOT BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR YOUR NEEDS,WAY WAY TOO MUCH MACHINE WORK. YOU STATED THAT YOU WOULD USE IT IN THE FARM OPERATION. THE ELWOOD SYSTEM WOULD PROBABLY NOT HOLD UP TO THE STRESS AND ROUGH DUTY THAT SOME OPERATORS TRY TO PUT THEM THROUGH.THE ELWOODS ARE OF GREAT INTEREST TO MANY OF US M.M. COLLECTORS WHO EITHER LIVE IN THE AREA OR KNOW PEOPLE WHO WERE AFFILIATED WITH THE ELWOOD CORP. IF YOU WERE TO PUT YOUR ELWOOD ON YOUR GVI, YOU WOULD HAVE A UNIQUE TRACTOR, (704). VISIT A FEW M.M. SHOWS OR CONVENTIONS COMING UP, CHECK OUT THE G1000'S FWA'S, IT CAN BE DONE. GOOD LUCK !!

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Mike L.

02-16-2008 21:49:39




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 Re: G1000 FWA Serial # Distinction??? in reply to Mike L., 02-16-2008 17:21:27  
The axle I purchased at the sale was a Coleman axle from the G706 and newer tractors I was told. The auctioneer stated that it had come from a G1000 4x4 that was owned and traded off by the farmer years before the closeout sale. Why he removed the good functional FWA axle is beyond me?

i don't know where the G1000 tractor the axle belonged with originally went to, it was not at the sale. But I purchased the axle at a farm sale outside of Terra Haute, Indiana in spring of 1993 or 94. They had 3 MM tractors, a G1355, M670, real nice Jet star 2, and 2 oliver combines, with lots and lots of MM parts.

I mistakenly purchased this coleman axle with aspirations of fitting it to my G-vi, unaware of the difference; and intrigued by the $450 dollar bargain I was able to get on it.

I was instead needing to aquire an "elwood" axle that was compatable with my Gvi. I was told the Gvi front 4x4 axle was only used on the Gvi, G704, and a rare one called the M504. So i had this one sitting around and thought it may go well with my brothers 1000. i looked up the SN# and it is an early G1000 "Wheatland" model which seems to be only a standard front axle opposed to the row crop model??

The Wheatland FWA does sound like a good rare MM, I would be happy to own a real one. So if my axle is truly a "G1000" axle from a factory G1000 FWA, it should fit right on my tractor? If it is off a G706,708 ect. would it still be compatible with my G1000 since the axle types are both Coleman? Thanks for the help so far!!!

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David Ritenburgh

02-17-2008 06:04:34




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 Re: G1000 FWA Serial # Distinction??? in reply to Mike L., 02-16-2008 21:49:39  
No, The coleman was not factory installed on a G1000. The G1000's had a Clark Front axle. The coleman front axles were removed from Many G706's because they were very clumsy and problematic. It would not be impossible to install a coleman axle on a G1000, however, you would have to have custom mounting brackets, driveshaft and shift linkage. Probably the most difficult and expensive part would be to mount the transfer case. A hole needs to be bored and machined to accept the transfer case. This requires a very large mill and you must remove and disassemble the entire transmission. The next issue, Is the transfer case gears from a G706 and from a G1000 are a different pitch, So most if not all the gears in the transfer case would need to be made and replaced. It is not impossible that this unit was cobbled to a G1000 before, but probably, the auctioneer mis-spoke and it was from a G706. If you want to contact me, I would be glad to look at pictures of your axle and let you know if it was adapted to a G1000 at one time or not.

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newfarmer9

02-16-2008 20:39:27




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 Re: G1000 FWA Serial # Distinction??? in reply to Mike L., 02-16-2008 17:21:27  
I agree, your axle is probably a Coleman unit, not an axle from a G1000 FWA factory setup. As David Ritenburgh mentioned as well, it is known which serial numbers are FWA and which are not.



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David Ritenburgh

02-16-2008 19:01:07




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 Re: G1000 FWA Serial # Distinction??? in reply to Mike L., 02-16-2008 17:21:27  
I forgot to answer your question. There were 89 G1000 Wheatlands produced and 55 G1000 Vistas produced with 4x4. I have the serial numbers for them. E-mail me if you want more information.



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Dave Ritenburgh

02-16-2008 18:55:17




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 Re: G1000 FWA Serial # Distinction??? in reply to Mike L., 02-16-2008 17:21:27  
If the front axle you have is brown, It is probably a Coleman unit off of a G706 or a G708. MM never factory produced a 4x4 G1000 prior to 1968, therefore no G1000's would have been brown and 4x4. However, There were a few aftermarket Elwood axles installed on G1000's. Factory G1000's had A Clark Planetary axle. Does your axle have large hubcaps? Does your transfer case have a triple roller chain inside of it? I'm sure we can figure out just what you have.

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