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What I learned shootin' the breeze

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Tim C.

09-01-1998 12:55:53




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I recently had my magneto in for a tune up and struck up a conversation with the fellow who did the work. He mentioned that mags the age of mine (1944 for a MM Z) had a certain life expectancy based on the length of service, and after they had been worked hard or long hours, the coils, points, condenser, etc. would wear out. That was old news, I thought, until he mentioned the behavior that a worn-out mag coil could produce. He said that as the coil inside the mag wore out, the insulation material would heat up during use and as the mag got hot, it would short out and kill the engine. The mag wouldn't run the engine until it cooled off, which it would then do for a somewhat shorter time than before. This would progressively get worse, until the insulation melted altogether and just quit. He said a lot of people would go nuts looking into the carburetor, governor, etc., while all the time it was actually the magneto coil. It seems logical that the coil on a distributor system could do the same thing.

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Joe Leising

09-01-1998 16:58:05




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 Re: What I learned shootin' the breeze in reply to Tim C., 09-01-1998 12:55:53  
At a recent tractor show a friend of mine was having trouble with his JD 70 (yeah I know it's the wrong color) and asked my advice. After a quick inspection of the tractor I noticed that it had a 12 volt battery and no resistor on the coil. I suggested that he replace the coil and add a resistor, because he said the 70 would die and the coil would be very hot. He did as I suggested and it ran as good as a 2 cyl will. So yes a distributor coil can act the same. The resistor lowers the voltage to the coil to prevent the excessive heat that breaks down the insulation.

: I recently had my magneto in for a tune up and struck up a conversation with the fellow who did the work. He mentioned that mags the age of mine (1944 for a MM Z) had a certain life expectancy based on the length of service, and after they had been worked hard or long hours, the coils, points, condenser, etc. would wear out. That was old news, I thought, until he mentioned the behavior that a worn-out mag coil could produce. He said that as the coil inside the mag wore out, the insulation material would heat up during use and as the mag got hot, it would short out and kill the engine. The mag wouldn't run the engine until it cooled off, which it would then do for a somewhat shorter time than before. This would progressively get worse, until the insulation melted altogether and just quit. He said a lot of people would go nuts looking into the carburetor, governor, etc., while all the time it was actually the magneto coil. It seems logical that the coil on a distributor system could do the same thing.

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Joe Truchard

09-02-1998 18:41:37




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 Re: Re: What I learned shootin' the breeze in reply to Joe Leising, 09-01-1998 16:58:05  

: At a recent tractor show a friend of mine was having trouble with his JD 70 (yeah I know it's the wrong color) and asked my advice. After a quick inspection of the tractor I noticed that it had a 12 volt battery and no resistor on the coil. I suggested that he replace the coil and add a resistor, because he said the 70 would die and the coil would be very hot. He did as I suggested and it ran as good as a 2 cyl will. So yes a distributor coil can act the same. The resistor lowers the voltage to the coil to prevent the excessive heat that breaks down the insulation.

: : I recently had my magneto in for a tune up and struck up a conversation with the fellow who did the work. He mentioned that mags the age of mine (1944 for a MM Z) had a certain life expectancy based on the length of service, and after they had been worked hard or long hours, the coils, points, condenser, etc. would wear out. That was old news, I thought, until he mentioned the behavior that a worn-out mag coil could produce. He said that as the coil inside the mag wore out, the insulation material would heat up during use and as the mag got hot, it would short out and kill the engine. The mag wouldn't run the engine until it cooled off, which it would then do for a somewhat shorter time than before. This would progressively get worse, until the insulation melted altogether and just quit. He said a lot of people would go nuts looking into the carburetor, governor, etc., while all the time it was actually the magneto coil. It seems logical that the coil on a distributor system could do the same thing.
I your spark is too weak to fire the engine, what is the problem with a magneto?

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Tim C.

09-04-1998 05:48:16




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 Re: Re: Re: What I learned shootin' the breeze in reply to Joe Truchard, 09-02-1998 18:41:37  
: I your spark is too weak to fire the engine, what is the problem with a magneto?


If what you're asking is "What is wrong with a magneto that is too weak to fire the engine", then the answer very likely rests with the coil. I no way do have any knowledge about these critters, but that is what I've come to find out. The coil generates the spark at a sufficient voltage to send an arc of electricity across the gap of the spark plug. If the coil isn't working properly, the spark won't do the job. Bear in mind there are other possible reasons for no spark. Neal Yerigan wrote an excellent book on the subject, and is without a doubt a leading expert on magneto problems. I don't have his e-mail address at hand, but he frequently reads the tractor talk board Ageless Iron. The link to this site is here -->

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