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water pump groov pin

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karl f

09-17-2007 11:48:21




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on a U, what is the impeller pin supposed to be? I&t refers to it as a "groov pin." what's left of the one in there looks like a cement nail, and is rust welded to the shaft.
any tips for removal? may not be able to salvage shaft the way it looks.
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karl f




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yonson

09-19-2007 10:38:29




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 Re: water pump groov pin in reply to karl f, 09-17-2007 11:48:21  
Taper pins are tricky to work with. They come in sizes from #7/0 (1/16" diameter), measured at the big end, to #14 (1 1/2") and come in various lengths. On low-stress applications like water pump impellers you could get away with another type of pin that doesn't really fit the tapered bore, but best not to do that on gears or actuating levers. Suppliers for machine shops ought to have them. Don't know why MM used taper pins with a groove, never saw that kind on machine tools & I replaced a lot of them. You'll need to know the size, if it's 3/16" (actually .193) that would be a #2. Get one longer than you think you need and cut off the excess after it's seated. Taper pin reamers are made for cleaning up damaged bores, which require the use of the next larger size pin.

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T.R.K.

09-18-2007 05:37:47




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 Re: water pump groov pin in reply to karl f, 09-17-2007 11:48:21  
They are usually pretty hard to remove. and the shaft has always been pretty rusty for me too.

The original pin was a solid steel rod, tapered with a groove down one side. Being tapered it needs to be driven from the small end. If you can figure out which one it is.

If you can't drive the pin out, I have cut the pin off either with a chisel or a die grinder down to a bit below flush with the shaft so it won't cut out the threads inside the impeller when it screws off the shaft.


The impeller has left hand threads. I have used a propane torch (a soldering torch, not a oxy-propane cutting torch because an oxy-propaine torch could melt the impeller) to heat the impeller to free it from the shaft.

I just used a roll pin to replace it from the hardware store with a saftey wire through it and so far they have worked fine, but they won't last as long as the original solid pin.

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