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karl f

09-04-2007 14:23:01




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just resurected the old U. I had the radiator repaired, bought a carb kit (cleaned thoroughly), and replaced all the gauges.
the carb settings are not matching the book, even a little bit. my other tractor experiences usually only require small fine adjustments from the book's starting point. "2 turns out" had to be nearly 4 out to get it to run at all without choking for the main jet. how does this match others' experiences? i don't recall what i set the float to, as the moline owners manual, IT (UB) manual, and carb kit (Hygrade brand) all said 3 different measurements.

also the temp is hovering around 205 with a 180 thermostat...not good! what's your normal operating temperature for idling in the yard?

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karl f

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Bob M

09-05-2007 05:45:17




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 Re: UTU survey in reply to karl f, 09-04-2007 14:23:01  
Karl -

Pay little attention to the books' advice for carb needle setting! My experience is individualy carburetors vary all over the place. If you can find settings where the engine runs well disregard what the book says. (FWIW the power screw on my UTU like it about 3-1/2 turns out - and it runs great there.)

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As for temperature, the gage on my U (which has a 160 deg t'stat) rises only to about 150 deg when sitting at idle. When being worked however it may climb to 160 - 180 depending on load and ambient temperature.

If the tractor is put right to work after a cold start the gage may climb as high as 200 very briefly. Just as the gage tops out the radiator will "burp" and may even spill a little coolant. Then the gage falls very rapidly (matter of a few seconds) to 150 or so. The gage will then be stable the rest of the day.

I think what is happening is it takes the thermostat a couple minutes to respond once the coolant reaches the t'stat's 160 deg opening temperature. Thus the engine temp "overshoots" briefly until the t'stat becomes stabilized.

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T.R.K.

09-04-2007 19:54:13




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 Re: UTU survey in reply to karl f, 09-04-2007 14:23:01  
The float is supposed to be 1/4" from the nearest point to the gasket or 5/16" to the carburetor top without the gasket in place.

You can check the float level on the older Marvel Schebler carbs that have the Marvel/Schebler logo on the side with a clear hose attached to the drain. The line above Schebler is the float level line.

You didn't say if your thermostat had a bypass hole in it. Those in-the-radiator thermostats let the engine get really hot if they don't bypass a bit of hot water so they can sense what is going on in the engine. I just drilled three or four 1/8" holes around the circumference of my thermostat before I installed it.

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karl f

09-04-2007 22:18:57




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 Re: UTU survey in reply to T.R.K., 09-04-2007 19:54:13  
i will try the hole in the t-stat. it definitely does not have one, since i just bought it. and yes, the pellet is towards the engine. when you shut off the tractor, there is a lot of hissing out the overflow tube for about 30 seconds. it burped water once at first but it's still not low. hopefully not a head! long version: once the engine got started, i watched the gauge, it crept up to 180, to 190ish, dropped to 180, then kept climbing to 200s, burped, but never rose more or boiled all the water out. shut it down to check on things. starting it later on, it climbed to the 200s again but never boiled over, level being inside the neck. also the water pump seal is seeping, which shouldnt hurt anything short term, unless the impeller stripped out. the water pump cover got very hot to the touch, the top tank was hot, and the cores were ice.

so i got a few unexpected things to fix :)

karl f

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Clint Youse MO

09-04-2007 19:01:09




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 Re: UTU survey in reply to karl f, 09-04-2007 14:23:01  
The carbs are all different but on the temp ours will all run at that 180 -185 mark we had one that would heat up a little bit tried everthing then took water manifold of and flushed the heads out and all the other crud from sitting for 20+ years mouse nest and lots of goodies never heated again i do not know why the heads were not cleaned before we put them on.



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karl f

09-04-2007 22:25:58




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 Re: UTU survey in reply to Clint Youse MO, 09-04-2007 19:01:09  
i ran the garden hose through the water outlet on the top for about 15 min straight twice before i even put the radiator on, got a lot of scale at first, then clear water, couple time some spider egg sacks or similar came out. chemical flush is tempting but what other problems can it cause on a 50+ yr old machine?!
i think i would do the disassembly of the water manifolds for an inspection and manual cleaning to play it safe, might find a civilization in there ;) or things just running water through missed.

karl

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Augie

09-05-2007 11:13:10




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 Re: UTU survey in reply to karl f, 09-04-2007 22:25:58  
Washing soda is a very effective flushing agent and won't do any damage to the internals.



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