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M220 vs. HD220?

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Mopower

07-20-2007 08:32:52




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How does the M220 rod journal size compare to an HD220? I thought they were smaller. Also heard that some M220 had bigger valves and blocks that were 1/4" taller. I have one of each I would rather not open up and chack, but curiosity has the best of me. The M220 gasoline is being installed in a 335 and says 52 h.p. on the tag. My power unit pamphlet say 66 h.p. on the HD220 LP gas and is in my JTU.

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Kevin Moschenrose

07-20-2007 22:14:46




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 Re: M220 vs. HD220? in reply to Mopower, 07-20-2007 08:32:52  
On my M220 that is in my Big Mo the journals are are all smaller than what is in my 206 in my jetstar. My crank in the big mo has the last four digits ground off and the miltary number stamped into it. I was having a hard time getting bearings for the miltary engine so I swapped it out for the 206 jetstar engine and rods and used the pistons from a u302 in place of the other ones. As far as pistons goes a very very very close match to the 220 piston is the chevy 265. The wrist pin is how ever smaller and the mm 220 rod is a little wider but they could be made to fit.

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T.R.K.

07-20-2007 19:18:05




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 Re: M220 vs. HD220? in reply to Mopower, 07-20-2007 08:32:52  
I have parts of a 220 from a 1959 military tractor. (Pistons did not survive.) On the crank, the rod journals are larger, and the mains are larger than the front and center in a regular MM engine, and all the mains are the same size.

Years ago I rebuilt a 220 out of a U302lp and put it in a jetstar3super. The compression distance in the pistons in that 220 engine was about 1/4" shorter than a standard Z piston. I happened to compare the z piston to one of my old 220 pistons later.

I DO NOT think the blocks are taller. That would involve a longer oil tube, longer push rods, and a different water pump mount/front water entry tube and upper water return for the engine, but I DO think the connecting rods in a 220 might be a corresponding 1/4" longer to make up for the shorter compression distance in the pistons.

The 220 I rebuilt fit right in the jetstar with no modifications. (I even used the U302 flywheel and clutch.) I used all the jetstar water tubes from the old engine and everything fit fine.

I have wondered if when designing the 220 whether MM used an existing piston from a GMC 305 V-6 engine, but I can't confirm it.

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