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Valves for RE Engine

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Jerry Grant

01-26-2007 14:37:34




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I just got a set of new valves for my 1946 ZTN. The engine is the RE model at 185.8 ci, serial number #34875. The new valves are different than the old ones in 2 respects. The new valves have 1 groove for the keepers. The old valves have 2 grooves. I am sure I could get new keepers providing the keepers are in the correct location as the old ones. Also, the new valve stems are about 3/16" longer than the old ones. I could mill off the ends so they are the same lenght. Are these new valves the correct replacement part? I am sure someone out there in MM land has replaced valves in an RE engine. The good folks at Welter Farm Supply are checking to be sure they are the correct ones, but are pretty sure there is not another valve available for the RE engine.Please advise.

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T.R.K.

01-26-2007 17:41:24




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 Re: Valves for RE Engine in reply to Jerry Grant, 01-26-2007 14:37:34  
Jerry,
Those valves with 2 grooves sound like chevy valves. I don't think MM ever used valves with 2 grooves originally because the inner groove is for an o-ring seal. Let us know if they say "MM Made in USA" or some such on the heads. If you need keepers, get a set for a small block v-8 chevy and they will work. They only use the top groove any way.

The extra length in the stem should only be an issue if backing the adjuster off all the way does not allow the valve to seat. It may take a 'dry fit' with the block, valve/sprng/keeper, rocker arm and pivot on the crankcase with the cam installed to tell. Well, the adjuster screw could hit the valve cover too, But I've seen engines where the valve cover was 'relieved' with a ball peen hammer for a little extra clearance. If the stem length looks like a problem, get your valve guy to grind some off it.

It is more important that the valve spring has about the same installed height it had originally. Because you want the springs to put enough pressure on the valves to be sure they close promptly and seat properly when they are supposed to. This will have more to do with the distance from the valve face to the keeper groove in the valve stem and how much the seats have been ground. If you are concerned about the springs, Wendell Everett has them. 740-922-3335. Charlie Biler has them too, but I don't know his number.

If its just a show tractor, I wouldn't worry too much about the springs unless one or two is noticeably shorter than the others when they are sitting on the workbench. (This assumes that your springs are all original without other noticeable differences between them.)

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Jerry Grant

01-27-2007 18:50:15




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 Re: Valves for RE Engine in reply to T.R.K., 01-26-2007 17:41:24  
T R K: The 2 grooves in the end of the valve stems are for the keepers. The keepers have 2 ridges that fit into both grooves so they are not for seals. If you think the valves I took out are not the original MM valves, then who knows if they were the right height. 2 issues, the height of the keepers and the overall length of the valve stem. Is a dry setup the only way to determine if what I have will work? Jerry

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Yugrotcart

01-26-2007 14:56:07




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 Re: Valves for RE Engine in reply to Jerry Grant, 01-26-2007 14:37:34  
Can"y help you with the vales that you have. A friend is rebuilding a set of R heads and he is using a Chevy valve. Sorry, don"t know all the particulars.

Paul



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