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445 power steering, AGAIN

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Gary in Neb.

12-14-2006 06:01:26




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Hi all, could not find my other post for this so started a new one. my power steering is terrible. posted here and got some good ideas to check out. here's what i have found. this tractor has a loader. with loader holding up the front of the tractor, and running, power steering not very easy. tractor on ground with loader weight, steering even worse (figured that would happen). tractor off tires off the ground, steers easier then when running.
took all the pwer steering stuff off the front last night. trying to figure out the .040 stuff. does the worm gear move the valve .040 and thats what open the valve in that direction, t hen when turning the wheel the other way it moves it back, so it has .080 amount of travel? or am i messed up? i have a book (of sorts) but i'm just not getting this through my head.

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Gary in Neb.

12-18-2006 06:07:34




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 Re: 445 power steering, AGAIN in reply to Gary in Neb., 12-14-2006 06:01:26  
yes the line are hooked up correctly.



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T.R.K.

12-14-2006 17:59:59




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 Re: 445 power steering, AGAIN in reply to Gary in Neb., 12-14-2006 06:01:26  
.040 or .080? Yes and no. That affair on the shaft with the springs between the collars and the shim washers outboard of that, if you have an illustration to look at, is set up with .040 between the collars.


Now, that I am thinking about it, unless I am missing something, the valve actually can move .040 in either direction, so at that point you really have .080 movement.

You have to keep in mind that at rest, with no force applied to the steering wheel, the springs in that collar assembly actually take up all the end play of the shaft. This centers the valve in the neutral position. Then as you turn the worm into the sector gear the springs are compressed toward one side - at least until the collars press together at .040 maximum movement. But if you turn in the opposite direction from that point, the springs push the collars apart and you come to the at rest position, then the springs compress again until the collars press together again at .040 maximum movement.

So to answer your question, there is .040 movement in either direction, for a total of .080 movement.

But you have to remember that if the valve spool moves a full .080, it has gone from the full flow in one direction to neutral to the full flow in the other direction.

I hope this helps.

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Gary in Neb.

12-15-2006 06:17:27




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 Re: 445 power steering, AGAIN in reply to T.R.K., 12-14-2006 17:59:59  
thanks for the responce. last night i took each piece apart, cleaned it, adjusted it, etc and put it back on. one problem i encountered was the "o" rings on the valve were too big and cut so i replaced them. got everything together, started the tractor, picked up the front wheels and screwed the valve in and out till i got it centered, BUT it still seems to turn hard. it actually turns easier with the tractor off, making me think, and it almost acts like, i have either too much return pressure, or a cross leak in the valve putting presure into the return side. does that make sense? i'm half tempted to just unhook the power steering and go manual.

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T.R.K.

12-18-2006 05:54:03




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 Re: 445 power steering, AGAIN in reply to Gary in Neb., 12-15-2006 06:17:27  
I asked this once already:

Did you check to see if the pressure and return hoses have been crossed? That is real easy to mix up at the back of the engine because the connections are identical.

There is a damper valve in the block that the pressure and return lines go into. Its in the block that bolts to the side of the steering valve. I think it restricts the flow out of the valve if the front wheels hit something and try to turn the steering wheel. It would probably restrict the flow to the valve if the pressure and return lines get crossed.

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