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Jim Root

05-01-2006 19:46:12




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Any one out there convert their gas Moline to use Ethanol? If so, is there any risk to engine damage? What precautions need to be done? We have (2) M670 Supers - is it easy to convert and fairly cheap?

Thanks for any info.




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ropinjo

05-24-2006 19:27:28




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 Re: Ethanol in reply to Jim Root, 05-01-2006 19:46:12  
I know this is a posted a little bit after the fact, however I know of people doing stock tractor pulls for the last 2 years running e-85 with no problems. My father in is JD 70 runs nothing but e-85 in the winter moving snow with no problems. The problems lay in the summer heat. If you bore out your load jet you will not have a problem delivering fuel. e-85 burns at 102 (roughly) octane, just does not have the bang as unleaded.

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dogonewild

05-02-2006 12:47:06




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 Re: Ethanol in reply to Jim Root, 05-01-2006 19:46:12  
it takes 1 and a half to 2 times the ethanol/alcohol than gas to make it run correctly,it is abrasive, attacks anything rubber,and if you lean it out to much it melts down pistons and valves. just my 2 cents



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R.D.F.

05-03-2006 13:50:16




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 Re: Ethanol in reply to dogonewild, 05-02-2006 12:47:06  
I disagree with your assumptions about ethanol, we"ve been messing with it (methanol too)for years at all levels(10%to 85%), it will take a little more consumption than gas but NO where near 1.5 to 2 times like you stated. The power increase is very notable, it Does Not cause pistons or valves to burn up. And currently E85 is 2/3 the price of gasoline. We use it in older vehicles as well as flex fuel vechicles, tractors too. Pay attention to the way your tractor runs and do the neccessary adjustments(tweak the carb settings and may or may not need timing changes)Dale

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dogonewild

05-03-2006 15:22:35




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 Re: Ethanol in reply to R.D.F., 05-03-2006 13:50:16  
put it in there straight ethanol/alcohol and see what happens without the necasarry changes and see what happens. i know what happens . ive been down that road and have the junk pistons and heads to prove it. not assumptions, FACTS



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R.D.F.

05-03-2006 17:22:16




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 Re: Ethanol in reply to dogonewild , 05-03-2006 15:22:35  
We and many other people have been running alcohol fueled performance vehicles for years, engines OEM designed for 100 HP and consistently turning many 1000's of HP without the breakdowns you describe. Now that is also different than your everyday use vehicle. Again, with some common sense adjustments, there is no reason to be afraid of alcohol fuels, we use it in our daily drivers(E85), and some of these vehicles were built way before flex-fuel was a by word.,Dale

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dogonewild

05-03-2006 15:00:03




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 Re: Ethanol in reply to R.D.F., 05-03-2006 13:50:16  
if you run a straight ethanol/alcohol not a blend. Now that is my experiance with race car engines



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NcNE

05-01-2006 22:12:42




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 Re: Ethanol in reply to Jim Root, 05-01-2006 19:46:12  
Hello
By ethanol, do you mean straight 100% ethanol or e85 or e10? I haven't had any experience using the straight or the 85 but the 10% blend has worked just fine in my RTU and case backhoe. I am by no means an expert on fuel but I would venture to guess that if you are going to use either the 100% or the 85% you would need to use fuel lines that will not break down under such a high concentration of alcohol and you would more than likely need to adjust the timing of the engine. Hope this helps.
Nick

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