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Compression verses cubes

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Jerry Cent. Mi.

03-22-2006 04:43:48




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What will provide more horse power? Increased bore which will give more cubes or same bore with higher compression heads which reduce's cubes because of head capacity but gives more compression. Maybe both?




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Texas Denny

03-23-2006 07:09:27




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 Re: Compression verses cubes in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 03-22-2006 04:43:48  
Jerry, theoretically, horsepower is horsepower no matter how it is achieved. The definition is rate of work or torque times velocity. Over the history of tractors, manufacturers did change displacement to get more horsepower. Often this was done by increasing stroke. Nearly as often, they increased bore. But the most frequent method to increase horsepower was by increasing the rpm and regearing. This worked very well if the engine had a flat torque curve with rpm which almost all engines do below 2500 rpm. And also, they increased compression with every new model.

It does make a difference what you want the horsepower for. If is in a tractor pull, I'd go with cubes. If it is in a race car, I'd go with compression as the compression increase greatly improves acceleration. If it is in a tractor that is to be used for field work, I think they are nearly equal with the edge to compression. Cubes will give you more pull power. Compression helps a lot more for economy and it helps for pulling as well. The theoretical calculation of engine economy is based almost entirely on the compression ratio - the higher the compression, the greater the efficiency. Displacement is not in the equation.

So, if I'm farming, I'd probably do both with the emphasis on compression (economy). If I was doing it for tractor pulling, I'd lean heavy to displacement but I'd probably increase compression, too. If it is a race car, I'd max the compression and do some increased bore as well. I wouldn't increase stroke on a racing engine if it is near 4". And I wouldn't change bore if it was over 4.0" as this increases the predetonation. If bore and stroke are max, then raise compression and get better fuels.

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ROWDY33

03-22-2006 17:38:20




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 Re: Compression verses cubes in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 03-22-2006 04:43:48  
That statement could be argued. But most important...horsepower for what use? Farming or tractorpulling.



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

03-22-2006 16:09:34




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 Re: Compression verses cubes in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 03-22-2006 04:43:48  
Thanks for the response Keith. How does that explain the higher compression heads with fewer Cubic inches in the head being better?



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KeithMM

03-22-2006 08:03:22




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 Re: Compression verses cubes in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 03-22-2006 04:43:48  
Only a fool would say compression. Go for the cubes.



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Andy2

03-24-2006 09:33:43




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 Re: Compression verses cubes in reply to KeithMM, 03-22-2006 08:03:22  
Volumetric efficiency.....good airflow.



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