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M-5 Diesel oil pump problems

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F M-M

12-27-2005 19:09:08




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I need a little advice here. I posted a message a while back about to much oil pressure on a fresh overhaul. The guys said probably a relief valve stuck. I didn't run it until a few days ago. Started it and have 0 pressure now. Shut it off and drained oil and removed pressure control. I think we had the regulating spring and spring seat in wrong and I'm not sure we have all the parts. My I&T manual doesn't show a good view but I have a small coil smap ring out and I don't see where it goes. Also, could I have damaged the pump or sheared off the drive gear pin from the excessive pressure or what is making it not pump any oil at all. I'm looking for the easy fix before pulling the pan again. If someone could give me a clear picture of just what goes where on the regulator or is it the same as a G1000?
Thanks for any help.

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SWMolines

12-28-2005 11:36:56




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 Re: M-5 Diesel oil pump problems in reply to F M-M, 12-27-2005 19:09:08  
I do not remember seeing your earlier posting but what I am hearing now seems like you may have more than just a regulator problem. Before running the engine anymore, I would make certain you have a functioning oil pump/system. Your best first step (I think) would be to put it back together as shown in your manual.

What I see in my 5 Star manual is four pieces. Install the piston first with the flat face in first. Then install the spring and if I remember correctly, the spring fits inside the piston. After the spring, install the retainer (plug) into the spring. The retainer has a pilot or reduced diameter end that inserts into the spring. Once that is all installed, you can install the retaining ring by compressing the spring to get to the retaining ring groove.

With everything else installed, I would pull the pressure line leading to your oil gauge and crank the engine with the starter without starting it. You should see oil out of that line within a minute or less if you have removed the oil filter. Sooner if the filter is already full of oil.


If you see no oil, the problem is likely inside and maybe one of several faults. I do not know how high you were running the oil pressure earlier but the oil pump drive commponents can be a weak link on some MM engines if the oil pressure runs significantly above 45-50 PSI for an extended period. Typically what breaks is either the oil pump drive gear teeth and/or the cam shaft drive teeth or the roll pin that connects the oil pump drive gear to the shaft. I do not ever recall hearing of the woodruff key shearing in the driven pump gear but assume that could also happen on a 40 year old tractor. There is also the chance that you split the oil filter canister due to the over pressure.

If none of these items are damaged, there is a by-pass piston inside the pump. I have never had one stick but would assume that if it was stuck in the by-pass position, you would not develop much oil pressure.

Good Luck! I hope it is just a regulator problem you can fix without dropping the pan. Report back and let everyone know what you have to do to fianlly fix it.

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Kevin Moschenrose

12-27-2005 22:14:25




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 Re: M-5 Diesel oil pump problems in reply to F M-M, 12-27-2005 19:09:08  
I really don't think the oil pump it hurt any from the high oil pressure. I also doubt that it has th eroll pin sheared off at the drive gear. But it may have done it. I personally think it is still a regulator problem. I you want I left my email open and I can send you a scan out of my parts book on the breakdown on the pump and regulator. Have also tried a a different oil pressure gauge? It may have blown that out and you may need a new one from the high pressure. I have done this on one of my five stars before.

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