price of mm

Shut up. I don't think you know what you are talking about. WE use a M670 lp every year for many different things. Pulling a bailer, grinding feed, plowing, and on a oneway. It runs just great. You can still get about any part for a MM tractor we got valves for a U MM new in the AGCO box. Ensign parts are stillavailable from a guy in Oklahoma.
Sounds like you don't care much about history when you say I'd just let it sit there and rot. That tractor will probably be around when you are rotting in your cold grave. If retards like you would get there heads out of there A###s they would realize they would make more money saving antiques than crushing them and sending them to China.

Get a life. By the way a JD B ain't worth no 3500.

I haven't once spoken badly about MM tractors, and yet y'all assume (MAKES AN ARSE OUT OF YOU) that I don't like them and don't know anything about them. Huh, again...

Well, we just sold our last MM tractor last year. It was a U302 Super Diesel A pretty rare and nice tractor - I might add. It was in nice shape for its age, had great rubber and a forklift on the front end and it still didn't bring jack squat on the auction block. Why? Because nobody wants 'em anymore. I'm speaking in general marketshare of course... We've owned several other MM's as well. But, huh... I guess I know nothing about them.

The only reason we slowly "phased out" our MM tractors is because there is no longer the dealer support (nor a manufacturer for that matter) that makes all of the parts for them anymore. We can't afford to have down-time and our "working" tractors sitting around doing nothing while we wait to get shipped parts across the country or worse yet, have them custom made/fabricated, because the part is no longer available anywhere.

That's why we own Deere, MF (AGCO), and Ford (CNH) tractors.

TWO WORDS ---> PRODUCT SUPPORT.

But again, what do I know, right?!?!

Now I'm gonna harp on your LP's some more;

Guess since LP gas tractors are so popular and so valuable, all the manufacturers are planning on building new ones again. Wait... Uh, NO!

I never said anything about an LP tractor being cheaper to overhaul than a diesel - Don't know where you got that from. May I suggest that you learn to not only read, but comprehend.

Also, what I meant by LP's being pains-in-the-arses, well it is simple really; You can go to the local "gas" station and buy your gasoline and/or diesel fuel. You CANNOT get your LP gas there. Secondly, if you want to get any work done, you need to be able to fill your equipment at the farm. So, you absolutely have to have a bulk LP storage tank on your farm for LP, along with all the necessary equipment for transferring/filling. Thus, your insurance rates are higher, due to the fact that you now have a compressed gas (LPG, a gigantic bomb, if you will) on your farm in an above ground storage tank. (They won't let you bury them either like they will for diesel and gas tanks.) Insurance rates are less costly for bulk storage of farm diesel.

We only keep diesel on the farm in bulk, as ALL of our daily working tractors are diesels. Why? Efficiency & more useful power/torque. We get our gas for our few gas tractors at the local station in cans and a 55 gal. drum, as it is by far cheaper than having a large bulk tank hanging around with stale gas. Plus, you can get away with having the gas drum on the farm without any insurance hassles.

By the way, I don't care if you use 20 LP Gas tractors on your farm. They are impractical POS tractors that are slowly fading away into the bone-yards. Don't believe me, just wait until the next 50 years passes, and get back to me on how many LP farm tractors are still out there working the fields. I'll be alive and kickin' around then, will you?

I know plenty about LP gas engines. I've worked on many. Many more than I have diesels, and I've worked on my share of diesels also. That alone should tell you something. LP's aren't "all that". I'll take a good torquey and fuel efficient diesel engine tractor any day over a gas or LP tractor.

I'll grant you a couple of positive things about LPG powered tractors:

First, if you are willing to put up with all of the B.S. that goes along with using LP powered equipment, they do burn cleaner than gas or diesels. But, the cold hard truth is, most of the world doesn't give a damn.

Secondly, there is NO doubt that LPG tractors are cheap horsepower. Nobody want's 'em, so they sell cheap. Just like all larger horsepower tractors around 120Hp & up (diesel, gas, LP or whatever)... They don't have a good resale value either, simply due to the fact that the market share of those that want or can use them is significantly smaller.

As for the Minneapolis Molines;

MM tractors were great in their time, I couldn't agree more. Today, they are still good tractors, but they are slowly becoming boat-anchors, just like many other manufacturers equipment that have come and gone with the sunset over the years. (Oliver, IH, Case - just to name a few, and so very many, many more.) (And, although good it their day, I say good riddance to the British Imports...)

And no, the new Case IH tractors are NOTHING like their predecessors. They are a blend of International, Case, CaseIH, and Fiat technologies all lumped into one. Neither Case nor IH even exist anymore in Ag.
CNH(Case New Holland)is a new breed of tractor.

And now, shifting gears completely...
Here is a quick manufacturer history lesson for everyone:

1.) Fiat owns CNH (Case New Holland). Yep, FIAT. Before the recent purchase/merger with Case, New Holland had merged and bought Ford back in the middle 90's, and CNH still supports most of the Ford line.

2.) Long Tractor Company (LG) bought the utility line of Ford tractors back when NH acquired Ford. NH didn't want the line, so they sold it to Long. That is why you still see the old Ford tractors like the 3910, 4610, 5610, etc. being produced, but they are now built as Long tracors!

3.) Today, JI Case no longer exists in the agricultural world. They only now exist in industrial/construction equipment.

4.) AGCO is a blend of all Oliver, MM, White, AC, MF and more. MM & Oliver were bought and "merged" by WFE well over 20 years ago. To date, MF and White are still built under their original names via AGCO, but damned if they haven't changed much at all. Oh, and the Caterpillar farm tractors are just AGCO's also. There's nothing at all left in production anymore resembling the Ollies and Minne-Moes.

5.) There are a bunch of smaller manufacturers out there today that will likely (or are already)disappear into the sunset (at least in the American Market). Belarus, Zetor, Mahindra, McConnell, Mitsubishi, Iseki, (Yanmar - builds Deere's compact line), Ching-Wong-Dong - and a plethora of other Chinese crap tractors, and many more I'm likely forgetting.

Kinda confusing, isn't it?
But wait, there's one manufacturer that remains to be true to it's slogan...

"Solid, stable, still John Deere."

That's right. So, to all of you jerk-offs that feel the need to continue to insult me to make yourselves feel better...

6.) John Deere is still John Deere. #1 in Ag.

Huh, you say? More like, "Well I'll be damned"...

---Interesting history, ain't it?

If nothing more, we can agree to disagree. That's ok. We're Americans and we can. For now, I'm done here.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

Using swearing to get your point across also indicates a weak position.

Really Andy, if you actually know so much, you would know that spouting off only gives you a reputation as a babbler who appears to know nothing about the topic he is addressing.

Lucifer

Then you made a statement about LP Gas tractor being around in another 50 years - "Don't believe me, just wait until the next 50 years passes". What about 50 years from now? If fossil fuels run out and we are using renewable resources such as corn and grain sorghum to power internal combustion engines will you make the same statement about Diesel engines being obsolete?

You also made this statement about LP Gas tractors - They are impractical POS tractors that are slowly fading away into the bone-yards. I have over 100 customers with LP Gas powered Pickups, trucks and tractors. There are a lot of LP Gas powered loader tractors here. The reason - when you are doing a job that requires two people an LP tractor running 400 rpms is much quieter than a diesel running 1000 rpms. The person on the ground can communicate with the person on the tractor better.

You also made this statement - (LPG, a gigantic bomb, if you will). This tells me how little you know about LP Gas. The LP Gas industry has one of the best safety records in America. It is safe because it is so closely regulated. If you had ever gone to fire fighting school you would know how tough and durable an LP tank is. During training they use a 500 gallon LP tank, nothing special, just one right off the line like the one you use at your home. It is filled to 80%. A fire is lit underneath the tank. The resulting fire is unbelievable. Blue flames engulf the tank to the point that you can't see the tank. It takes 10 to 15 minutes to heat the fuel enough to make the Pop-off valve open. When it opens the 3 firefighters move forwards. The man in the middle guides the two outside men. They use fire hoses to part the fire so the inside man can reach through the flames and turn off the fuel that supplies the fire. I have done this several times, the first time it takes real courage. The second time your courage is tested. You will gain a whole new respect for Firefighters when you see them do it. They do it like everyone else, until they stand back and open the safety shield on their helmet and you look into their eyes. When you stand and face the fire the only thought you have is - this tank is going to blow into a million pieces. I trained on the same LP tank for 15 years before it was replaced. It is hard to believe how strong LP tanks are.

Next incorrect statement - (They won't let you bury them either like they will for diesel and gas tanks.) I have buried 4 LP tanks in the last 3 years. They come with a special coating to protect them. The only reason to bury a Diesel or LP tank is space. If you bury a Diesel tank you have to place monitors around it to detect any leaks. This is done to stop underground pollution. The cost is prohibitive. Dealers use above ground double wall or containment tanks.

I have run LP Gas tractors, Trucks and Pickups since 1960. Owned and operated a fuel delivery business since 1972. You mentioned how many LP Tractors you have worked on. I have converted 650 to 700 Pickups and trucks to LP Fuel. 20 of these are the newer computer controlled engines. I have converted about 250 tractors and combines. I have helped people with problems from all over the USA. I would ask for your qualifications on LP Gas, but you don't have any. Your reply will be - I know or I know someone that knows. I know the LP experts and you ain't one of them.

About my comprehension. Try this. In 33 years of delivering LP Gas I have met lots of people like you. And after 33 years I know a smart mouth know it all when I meet one.

#1.) Parts donors #2.) To show off at a farm show. They are impractical pains-in-the-asses.

Tell me, when was the last time one came off the assembly line in a farm tractor?

Yeah, that's what I thought... Must be they are just wonderful.

I'm not pushing to sell my "B" either. In fact I really don't want to. I'm merely stating that if he wants to pay too much for a tractor, he might as well buy a mint-condition, fully restored one that is one of the most popular 2-cyl JD tractors ever made.

So get bent...

The only thing getting bent is a Deere & Co. drawbar while a big honkin' LP gas Minnie-Mo drags a Johnny-popper off to the junk heap. Then overzealous Deere collectors can pay too much for them, call them rare antiques, and sell it to other Deere guys who can't tell the difference between cast iron and diamonds.

Most M-M parts are plentiful and interchangeable. M-M collectors are friendly and actually still farm with their "impractical pains-in-the-bootys" , making it pretty easy to get whatever you need whenever you feel like good conversation. So keep cranking the hours away on your LP fellas, there's plenty of us out there and always will be.

Ethan D. Berry
The Mopower Ranch

-Resale value just dropped to $1,000.

-With engine overhaul (must be guaranteed in writing), good paint and rubber, you can offer as much as $2,000.

-If in the dingweeds and been sitting, no matter what it is or what shape it's in, $500 MAX.

Personally, I'd let it sit and rot.

Besides, for $4,500 you can get yourself a nice, parts readily available, Diesel or Gas, JD, IH, Ford, MF, or other tractor.

For $4,500 I believe he is telling you he doesn't have any intention of selling it, unless you are nuts enough to overpay for it.

By the way, if you want to buy a nice useable & show quality tractor, I have a beautiful, near mint, new engine, fully restored 1948 JD "B" gas tractor with a fully hydraulic snow (or dirt) plow on the front.

Options include: Power-trol hydraulics, PTO, roll-a-matic front end. $3,500 is the price.

For a total of $4,000, I'll even put a nice "801" 3pt. hitch on, making it more useful.

I use my JD "B" to push snow out of my driveway and do light utility work in the summer. She sits and "shows off" more than I use it.

~Andy

LP undesireable? Rediculous. A good pair of 10A4233 cylinder heads is worth more than a jd B.

Also, keep this in mind:
-Engine overhauls aren't cheap.
-Finding parts for MM tractors isn't easy.

It has to be 100% mint with new paint, new rubber and everything works perfect as it should for that price.

Otherwise, offer him NO MORE THAN $2,500.

Good luck,
~Andy

Lots of people are still using LP MM's and parts are available thanks to Welters and others.The MM described is a $2500-2800 tractor.