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General G1000 questions

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GSS

11-07-2005 08:58:19




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A friend and I are looking at a 67 G1000 diesel at a local dealer. I spoke to the previous owner and they seem to have taken great care of it. After driving it, I have a few concerns (besides the fact that it might be hard to find parts for).

It's sometimes hard to get into or out of gear. The clutch seems strong, so could it just need adjusted? How hard is it to do?

The PTO shaft is always spinning ever so slowly. I haven't tried to grab it to try and stop it, nor have we hooked up anything to it. Are those plates difficult to change? Are they hard to find/expensive? Could it be something else?

What should the pressure be at the hyd remotes? They said they'd test it for me, but weren't sure what the proper pressure should be.

Amplitorque seemed to work. Tach and a few other guages don't work. Lights don't work.

Anything else prone to breaking on these that I should pay particular attention to?

They're asking $5900.

Thanks!

- Gerald (in PA)

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JK2

11-08-2005 19:03:06




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to GSS, 11-07-2005 08:58:19  
Gerald,
The aux oil tank is actually an aux oil filter similar to those used on over the road trucks to keep the oil cleaner.

The PTO on the G1000 has a PTO brake that engages when the PTO is off. It is adjusted after removing the seat, hyd system & top cover of he rear end. They also frequently have the lining worn off them & need replaced. They usually become worn out prematurely by rumming a piece of equipment that coasts after turning it off such as a rotary cutter.

To make shifting easier either take it out of gear before stopping or pull the torque handle to the rear. IF you are going up a grade in forward or backing up a grade in reverse, the tractor will not coast when you push the clutch in. The over running clutch that engages for low range in the torque causes this. You will notice that when you are going down even a slight grade (or backing down), that shifting is fairly easy since the over running clutch doesn't engage then.

John

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GSS

11-09-2005 05:01:45




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to JK2, 11-08-2005 19:03:06  
Other than the obvious PTO safety hazards, is there any danger to the rearend by not replacing these PTO brake pads?

Thanks for the torq info!



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Curt Keiser

11-09-2005 05:25:27




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to GSS, 11-09-2005 05:01:45  
This does not hurt the rear end in any way. It will just get bad enough it will coast even when hooked to something. It most likely is the PTO brake but if the PTO fiber and steel disc are warped it will also coast. So if you do not fix that the new brake will not last.



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Curt Keiser

11-08-2005 17:29:08




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to GSS, 11-07-2005 08:58:19  
According to your picture that is a G1000, not a G1000 Vista. I would say they are quite high on thier price. Good Vista's are hard pressed to bring that much around here ( SESD ).We just bought a good LP 1000 for $2900.



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GSS

11-09-2005 05:07:35




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to Curt Keiser, 11-08-2005 17:29:08  
From my research, everything around here is higher priced, especially in the upper horsepower ranges. We could probably find something cheaper in OH, but frankly, I just don"t have the time to scour the state.

Is $6000 high for an IH656 hydro utility w/ loader?
What about $7500 for a beautiful IH826?
$8500 for an average IH966?
These are all W. Pa prices.



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Brian(MN)

11-08-2005 05:49:48




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to GSS, 11-07-2005 08:58:19  
Gerald, My PTO spins slowly on my 670 and U302 also. When I hook up a mower it stops. This tractor looks and sounds good and talking to the owner means alot. I have always said , good molines are hard to find, this one is original and not beat up. The price may be a bit high, but knowing the history of it is worth something. I have not seen any G1000s on dealers lots around here (MN).
Maybe they will nagociate at bit on the price.
Brian(MN)

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GSS

11-08-2005 06:00:13




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to Brian(MN), 11-08-2005 05:49:48  
Very true. He's told me a lot and I plan on giving him a call back. So far I know he did the heads and put new rings, blocks, etc in back in '82. Just rebuilt the water pump (so no one at the dealer would burn it up). Used it the past few years to just pump water. He also said something about keeping it under 1800rpm. Is that some magic number?

I plan on asking them to fix the tach when I make an offer. They've already changed the fuel and air filters and will do the oil. Delivery is included too. I have no way to haul 11,000+ lbs!!

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Brian(MN)b

11-08-2005 19:03:59




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to GSS, 11-08-2005 06:00:13  
Gerald, As far as the 1800 RPM, maybe that is the rated RPM, Maybe someone who has a book handy could answer that. I'm sure this is a low RPM engine, like other molines. (Supposed to last longer)
I wish I had one, maybe some day.
Brian(MN)



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Mike Tessman

11-07-2005 18:17:34




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to GSS, 11-07-2005 08:58:19  
Gerald: I take it that you are going to use this tractor? Harold Rhodes and myself have 2 consecutive serial # G-1000's that we would like to find A GOOD HOME! These tractors are located in Texas. Both are LP's. They are part of the first 50 pilot tractors that have the low band grill on them? The ones after these were the regular sheet metal> Let me know if you would be interested in them? By the way, they would cost less than the one you are looking at! Thanks Mike

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BMG

11-07-2005 17:28:49




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to GSS, 11-07-2005 08:58:19  
Gerald,
Is this a Vista model with the side shift console or is it a regular row crop with the shifter directly below the steering wheel? The Vista had some unique things to look for like the hydraulic clutch cylinder. The gages and tach can be found but are not available new anymore. PTO clutch plates should be available from AGCO yet but are not exactly cheap. $5900 for a Vista isn't too bad of a price but that much for a row crop seems a bit high in my humble opinion.

Brian

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GSS

11-08-2005 04:53:49




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to BMG, 11-07-2005 17:28:49  
It's not a Vista.

It's a JD dealer who took it on trade, so they will be a bit higher than a private party. We've been hard pressed to find something decent in this horsepower range around here though. People are either asking way too much or the machines are beat.



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Singer farms

11-07-2005 16:08:41




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to GSS, 11-07-2005 08:58:19  
All 6 of our g1000's pto shaft dont stop either
you have to take the seat off to adjust them. on our a4t1600's you have to take gas tank off and rear plate off the differential. Pressure should be around 1800 to 2000 psi on hydralics, that can be adjusted at the bypass valve on the pump



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GSS

11-08-2005 05:13:32




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to Singer farms, 11-07-2005 16:08:41  
Do they stop with, say, a mower hooked up?

Thanks for the hydraulic info. I will have them test it.

Anything else you'd recommend looking at more closely on this, Singer? Seems like you have a lot of experience with them. Any idea why he may have added an auxillary oil tank to the side? It seems to just feed in beside the dipstick.
You can see the pic here: http://www.ironsearch.com/IRONsearch/zoom.aspx?IWNO=547834&ImgID=2
What about the $5900 price tag?

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Pistol Pete

11-07-2005 12:27:16




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to GSS, 11-07-2005 08:58:19  
One thing to help with the shifting is to pull the torq back. If you stop movement with the torq ahead and still in gear it can be a pain. These don't have a syncromesh transmission in them so that is why they shift hard.



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GSS

11-07-2005 12:55:03




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to Pistol Pete, 11-07-2005 12:27:16  
Good to know. Thanks. I'll have to try that and see.

Are there any rules to using the torq on the MM's? I am pretty sure the IH guys tell you to not use it to while descending a hill, but I'm not sure if that's just b/c it's hydraulic on the IH versus mechanical on the MM.

Thanks!



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Mike (WA)

11-07-2005 17:02:31




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to GSS, 11-07-2005 12:55:03  
I think they're all pretty much the same (IH Torque Amplifier, MM AmpliTorq, Oliver Hydra Power or Hydraul shift)- No engine braking in low range- gives a very fast ride downhill!



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GSS

11-08-2005 05:16:59




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to Mike (WA), 11-07-2005 17:02:31  
Right. I guess you can use it to go downhill, but you shouldn't shift into it under load. A lot less stress on the system if you shift before you get the load going.



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Curt Keiser

11-09-2005 05:31:25




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to GSS, 11-08-2005 05:16:59  
You can NEVER use it going down a hill because you WILL coast and this is vert detriminal to the torque. It is made to be used under an load and you shift dowm in that situation.



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CStrehmel

11-30-2005 13:37:47




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 Re: General G1000 questions in reply to Curt Keiser, 11-09-2005 05:31:25  
What decrease in speed dose the Ampli-Torque provide, and what are the speeds of the gears in a G1000?



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