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Roger Mills

09-28-2005 11:56:46




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I just got an MM that has a Z stamped in the model space but no other letters. The engine plate has 206B-4 stamped in the model space. I have not messed with the plates and cannot read the numbers yet. It is complete and runs perfect, quiet as a whisper. I would like to know what the extra letters mean when I try to look it up. I.E ZTS vs ZTU or ZTN were all made from 37 to 48 but what is the difference? The one I have has black starter, gen, dist, fan, hyd pump and cylinder as are the three light housings. Air cleaner, gas tank and radiator caps are red as are the solid disk wheels. 6 volt standard ignition, hand clutch, 5 speed, V front wheels and auto float hydraulics.

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Jim Parisot

09-29-2005 22:22:42




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 Re: Letter codes in reply to Roger Mills, 09-28-2005 11:56:46  
Roger,

It sure sounds like you have a ZA series tractor, in particular a ZAU by your description of the front tires and the grill. The 206-4 engine you have was made for the ZA's. If you change that 6 in your engine number to an 8 (making it 01817357) then that would fall in line with a 1952 206B-4 engine, which ranged from 01812820 to 01818924. The range of serial numbers for a 1952 ZAU is 00609940 to 00614658. Take a real close look and see if you made a mistake on your tractor serial number of 0031627, I think you did. The fact your serial plate just has a Z for model tells me it is a ZA series, as a ZT series tractor would probably have ZTU stamped in as the model. You can forget about your tractor being a 1930's model ZTS. Hope this helps.

Jim

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Roger Mills

09-30-2005 08:52:44




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 Re: Letter codes in reply to Jim Parisot, 09-29-2005 22:22:42  
Thanks Jim,
I will take a closer look at the engine plate, you could be right. The frame number is still a problem. There is a list of model codes that identify a 031xxx as a "ZTS tractor w/RE Engine". What were the main differences between the ZTx main frame and the ZAx main frame? I am beginning to think that a correct designation might be 'ZTSAU'. As in a composite that used a ZT frame and a ZAU front. Since the paint is intact at the seams I think it was made that way at the factory. If you are right about the engine number then they were cleaning the shop in the early 50's and came up with a different model code number for the composites.

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BMG

09-30-2005 20:02:36




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 Re: Letter codes in reply to Roger Mills, 09-30-2005 08:52:44  
Roger,
You described your trans shifter as going right in the top of the trans case. If you had a ZT type trans (which I don't think you do) the gear shifter would slide side to side and go in the side of the top trans cover. Is your steering wheel mounted on a curved piece of pipe off of the top of the trans cover? The fact that your battery is mounted under the gas tank makes it a ZAU also. The gauge package and switch you described would not be found on a ZT series tractor.

I suggest you take a closer look at your tractor serial # plate. There shouldn't be any spaces in the #.

Brian

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Roger Mills

09-29-2005 12:29:50




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 Re: Letter codes in reply to Roger Mills, 09-28-2005 11:56:46  
Even if I chain the numbers together and take out the spaces and assume it is a 6 instead of a 3 I get 0061627 and a ZAS. It still doesn't make sense. Number 1627 would be in the 49 or 50 group but the lists say that the year was there in the number after the 6 so it should read 006491627 or eq. for 50, it doesn't. If it is an 8 and the serial number is 0081627 for a ZAN then the number is too high by over a thousand as the last one was number 619. If it is a 9 for 0091627 and a ZA or ZAE I have a similar problem to both above, the 49 and 50 part and because the last number was 998 and this would be over 600 too high. Any way I look at it I come up with a model code for a ZTS and a serial number made in 1939. I also saw a pix of a ZTS that had two front wheels on a narrow bar and one that had two wheels very close and angled in a vee like mine????? What was the standard or S designation front end? The paint is faded and nearly gone but intact on the front and frame bolts. There is no decal beside the tank and a faded out circle after the MM decal on the sides of the cover. There is a raised cast M on eitherside of the bullnose in the top radiator casting that have a bit of red still showing. The grill is two pieces with horizontal bars. There are no sloped side engine covers and only the flared splash guards on the rear. The seat is on a double wishbone mounted to a long bar that swivels L/R 45 deg each side. I would send a Pix but don't have a scanner or digital camera.

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Kelvin

09-30-2005 09:44:03




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 Re: Letter codes in reply to Roger Mills, 09-29-2005 12:29:50  
I just checked the prefix list and the 206B-4 engine is a replacement engine with a distribuitor. so it could be in any tractor that it would fit. And its no help dating the trator itself.

Is the grille a screen affair in a rounded hole or is it horizontal bars? ZT tractors used the screen in the rounded hole, ZA tractors had horizontal bars.

Is the rear wheel tread adjustable with the wheel hubs clamped to the axle or are the hubs held on with a great big nut on the axle? ZTS and ZAS used the nut on the axle, All others clamped the hub to the axle.

Does the gear shift lever go down into the center of the top of the transmission cover, or does it make a 90 degree bend and go into the right hand side? ZT tractor gear levers make the 90 degree bend, ZA tractors go down into the center of the top.

Does it have a wide non adjustable front axle, 1 front wheel or a 2 wheel narrow front?

In case it might be a '39 Do the wheel rims clamp to cast iron centers or do they have sheet steel disks that bolt to the hubs. Lots but probably not all '39s clamped to cast iron wheel centers.

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Roger Mills

09-30-2005 10:48:43




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 Re: Letter codes in reply to Kelvin, 09-30-2005 09:44:03  
Kelvin,
Horizontal bars and no sloped sides on the cowl, like the A and B.

Clamped rear wheels on long axles, could easily take dual rears.

Gear shift goes straight down into the top of the tranny.

Brake drums are ahead of axles on the outside of the frame case and inside covers. Rear PTO cover is a half cylinder not a rounded wedge shape.

I have seen three types of 2 wheel fronts, one is fixed width and narrower, the second is wide and appears adjustable, and mine which is very narrow and the two wheels are angled inward at the bottom in a vee.

The wheel centers are bolted, or riveted to the rim. I don't know which. They are steel and slightly curved with the offset at the edge of the rim.

The battery is behind the hydraulic reservoir and under the fuel tank.

No decals on the tank, just on the cowl with an additional circular decal to the right of the long one. I can see a bit of the Minn Mo on the long decal on one side but nothing in the circle is legible.

Multi-position light and ignition switch with push button start. Gauge cluster has ammeter above temp on left lower with pressure to the right of it.

From all of what you said I think it is a ZAU but the 0 031 627 frame number gives me no clue to assembly date.

It is possible I mis-read the engine number as 161xx when it shold be 181xx. If so then the engine number comes out 1952.

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Kelvin

09-30-2005 19:01:58




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 Re: Letter codes in reply to Roger Mills, 09-30-2005 10:48:43  
From your description you do have a ZAU. I can't help you on the serial number.



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Roger Mills

10-03-2005 08:49:58




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 Re: Letter codes in reply to Kelvin, 09-30-2005 19:01:58  
Thanks everyone, much help. I found '52 on the carb, and voltage regulator. I was given the tractor if I would get it out of the 'back yard'. I put a battery in it, flushed out the tank. Put gas in it and drove it home. I was able to talk to 'dad' this weekend and was told that his father bought it new in 1954 but only used it one year and he died. Land was divided up and it sat until I drove it away. One oddity, the exhaust is below the cowl instead of up through the hole. Anyway, tires shot, seat wishbone needs work, one rear wheel rusted through in places, and the water pump seal leaks. All in all a short list. So far.
Thanks again, I will post anything I learn about the serial number strangeness.

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karl f

10-08-2005 07:33:42




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 Re: Letter codes in reply to Roger Mills, 10-03-2005 08:49:58  
how long have you had this tractor? sounds like a heck of a find! the less time you"ve had it the more impressive the story of it starting and bbeing driven home. I"d love to find a UB or something a little more modern with low hours that i could just drive away to "dispose of" after it had sat for years in someone"s ba\ck yard or shed.
-karl f



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Roger Mills

10-10-2005 09:44:43




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 Re: Letter codes in reply to karl f, 10-08-2005 07:33:42  
6 days before my first post. I think I was very lucky. Usually just condensation will lock up the motor in 50+ years of sitting. It was under an old tarp and covered with webs. I drove it through a car wash and spent almost $50 with the high pressure spray rinse just blasting off the hardened clay. Had to jumper the switch, ie hot wire it, because the switch is rusted solid and so is the choke cable.

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Roger MIlls

09-29-2005 08:50:50




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 Re: Letter codes in reply to Roger Mills, 09-28-2005 11:56:46  
I think I said ZAS, that would be a 007--should have said ZTS or 031, a 030 would be a ZTU and a 032 would be a ZTN and a 033 would be a ZTE, per the model code list.



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BMG

09-28-2005 17:50:51




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 Re: Letter codes in reply to Roger Mills, 09-28-2005 11:56:46  
Roger,
From your description it sounds like you have a ZAU tractor. Most ZA models only had "Z" stamped in their serial # tags. The "U" in ZAU means you have 2 front wheels spaced closely together and stood for "Universal" front end. ZA was the series of tractor. The ZA replaced the ZT and was replaced by the ZB series. "S" stands for "Standard" or non adjustable wide front axle. "N" stands for single front wheel. "E" stands for "Extendable" wide front axle.

Brian

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Kelvin

09-28-2005 18:57:52




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 Re: Letter codes in reply to BMG, 09-28-2005 17:50:51  
Just to add: Lots of ZA tractors only said Z on the serial tags, don't know why. The 206B-4 was the correct engine for a ZA. Since you say yours has "V" front wheels, I infer it has a 2 wheel narrow front, making it a ZAU. Z=tractor size, A=Second model in the series, U=2 wheel narrow front, U means Universal, meaning the tractor could cultivate as well as plow.



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